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Maybe this one relates more with the Americans because Ozempic became a trend there: Why are most people jumping on this drug? At least for me, besides all the

by braza 2y ago

Maybe this one relates more with the Americans because Ozempic became a trend there: Why are most people jumping on this drug? At least for me, besides all the cliches and stereotypes about the USA people, there's huge access to nutrition, gyms, surgical procedures, capital for buying healthy food, and medicine in general.

BugsJustFindMe 2y ago
> At least for me...there's huge access to...capital. This is not true for more people in the US than the populations of most other countries. It's also weird to ask why people would do the obvious easy thing that takes no time or effort over the thing that takes more time and more effort. I bet you also make the exact same decision in a bunch of other contexts every day. Just use the pattern matching part of your brain to apply the same motivation to a new context.
bee_rider 2y ago
Nutritious food is harder to prepare and/or doesn’t taste as good in some cases, surgeries and other drugs have side effects, gym is a pain to go to. Also even though the US has high wages, everybody feels vaguely poor and stressed about money for some reason. There are a lot of little nickel-and-dime fees because we don’t have a good safety net, consumer protection, and we don’t have public healthcare. (I’m not on Ozempic and I recently lost weight by just eating less, but I get why people want it, the alternatives are annoying).
derektank 2y ago
Exercise is great for your health, but it generally has a negligible effect on weight loss because exercise doesn't actually consume that many calories. The biggest benefit of exercise on weight loss is the temporary exercise-induced anorexia that occurs in very high intensity workouts.
- Der_Einzige 2y ago
  You are so full of shit. I get on the treadmill for 1 hour and consume 700 calories in that hour. Heavy exercise also causes improved appetite and sleep regulation as it fixes your blood sugar levels. This leads to your demand for food and especially the worst kinds to paradoxically go down for most fat people (they were already eating too many calories) Calories in and calories out shows that I will durably lose weight over a several month period with 1 hr on the treadmill every other day - a totally doable number for motivated people. I swear to gosh that all the people who say “you can’t outrun your fork” are fatties. The issue is that the willpower to exercise for most people is trash. Most people who claimed they did high impact exercise and didn’t see weight loss simply didn’t actually do high impact exercise.
  - aaronblohowiak 2y ago
    Most obese and very overweight people cannot sustain the output of 700 calories an hour, cardiovascularly (spelling) or with the state of their knees and muscles. Also, it’s very easy to eat an extra 700 calories especially if you are in the “I worked out so I deserve a treat” camp. Your lack of understanding comes across in your stance as well as the attitude. Yes exercise is fantastic for your quality of life years and all cause mortality, but it’s not the whole story.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Calories in and calories out This is sort of like trying to fly a plane using Newtonian physics. Like, you can do it. But it’s more an exercise in pedantry than practicality. My body, for example, loves to frivol away weight. I can eat like a pig and lounge around and my basal metabolism will spike and I won’t gain weight (nor lose much strength, though I do lose definition). Similar for people with metabolic syndrome: their bodies will literally start starving themselves by cutting basal metabolism in reaction to less food or more exertion before they’ll give up some fat cells. Not everyone who is obese has metabolic syndrome. But you’re going against the science if you insist all we need is diet and exercise education.
999900000999 2y ago
Americans are overweight. Our entire food chain is full of preservatives, carcinogens, and things that should not be consumed by living beings . I've spent small amounts of time in Europe, and each time literally just eating whatever junk food I wanted, I came home losing 10 or 20 pounds. The food outside of the US is just fundamentally better. Let's say you're a teenager and you want to buy yourself some soda, in America the vast majority of the time you're not getting real sugar, you're getting hyper processed corn syrup. Before you know it all types of weird crap isn't everything you eat. And this has disastrous effects . Ozempic is really a shortcut to an extremely complicated problem. Realistically if you want to eat quality food you have to move to another country, it's that bad.
- badc0ffee 2y ago
  This is basically a meme at this point - Sandwich, US >:| Sandwich, Japan :O I don't know what to believe anymore. I think sugar isn't good for you, whether it's "real" processed sugar, or HFCS which is a fructose ratio that is the same as honey, or agave syrup which has even more fructose. And, other countries have obesity problems too - e.g. Mexico and the UK. Are they tainted by... whatever... is the actual problem (or problems) with the US's food supply?
  - Der_Einzige 2y ago
    In mexico (and south and Latin americas) case it’s primarily due to taking our obsession with sugar and multiplying it. They drink even more sugary soda than we do, and their deserts like tres leche cake are so delicious because they are diabetes on a plate.
- artemsokolov 2y ago
  There’s some misinformation here. The US does use more additives like BHA or potassium bromate (possible carcinogens—can you name others you’re thinking of?), but their link to obesity isn’t clear. As for soda, ‘hyper processed corn syrup’ I suppose just means high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS)—what’s the big difference you see from sugar? Research, like this meta-analysis (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9551185/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9551185/), shows HFCS and sugar are metabolically similar in typical amounts, no disaster there. Your weight loss in Europe might be more about activity than food quality. Short trips often mean more walking and exploring, which burns calories, even if you’re eating junk.
consteval 2y ago
It’s a very complicated issue, but I think, at its core, it’s because those other solutions just don’t work. I mean, they work for a lot of people all the time. But they’ve existed forever, and over the past 50 years the obesity epidemic has only gotten worse. Clearly, just offering things as available to people is not a systematic solution to this.
moduspol 2y ago
I lost ~55 pounds on a similar drug over about 10 months during 2023-2024. The drug avoids the need for any kind of willpower. You don't have to go out of your way or make lifestyle changes to lose weight. You don't even have to eat different food, but you'll almost certainly eat a lot less of it. That's just a dramatically preferable proposition than changing one's lifestyle, diet, and habits manually, and then keeping all that going for the rest of one's life.

by braza 2y ago

BugsJustFindMe 2y ago

> At least for me...there's huge access to...capital. This is not true for more people in the US than the populations of most other countries. It's also weird to ask why people would do the obvious easy thing that takes no time or effort over the thing that takes more time and more effort. I bet you also make the exact same decision in a bunch of other contexts every day. Just use the pattern matching part of your brain to apply the same motivation to a new context.

bee_rider 2y ago

Nutritious food is harder to prepare and/or doesn’t taste as good in some cases, surgeries and other drugs have side effects, gym is a pain to go to. Also even though the US has high wages, everybody feels vaguely poor and stressed about money for some reason. There are a lot of little nickel-and-dime fees because we don’t have a good safety net, consumer protection, and we don’t have public healthcare. (I’m not on Ozempic and I recently lost weight by just eating less, but I get why people want it, the alternatives are annoying).

derektank 2y ago

Exercise is great for your health, but it generally has a negligible effect on weight loss because exercise doesn't actually consume that many calories. The biggest benefit of exercise on weight loss is the temporary exercise-induced anorexia that occurs in very high intensity workouts.

Der_Einzige 2y ago
You are so full of shit. I get on the treadmill for 1 hour and consume 700 calories in that hour. Heavy exercise also causes improved appetite and sleep regulation as it fixes your blood sugar levels. This leads to your demand for food and especially the worst kinds to paradoxically go down for most fat people (they were already eating too many calories) Calories in and calories out shows that I will durably lose weight over a several month period with 1 hr on the treadmill every other day - a totally doable number for motivated people. I swear to gosh that all the people who say “you can’t outrun your fork” are fatties. The issue is that the willpower to exercise for most people is trash. Most people who claimed they did high impact exercise and didn’t see weight loss simply didn’t actually do high impact exercise.
- aaronblohowiak 2y ago
  Most obese and very overweight people cannot sustain the output of 700 calories an hour, cardiovascularly (spelling) or with the state of their knees and muscles. Also, it’s very easy to eat an extra 700 calories especially if you are in the “I worked out so I deserve a treat” camp. Your lack of understanding comes across in your stance as well as the attitude. Yes exercise is fantastic for your quality of life years and all cause mortality, but it’s not the whole story.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > Calories in and calories out This is sort of like trying to fly a plane using Newtonian physics. Like, you can do it. But it’s more an exercise in pedantry than practicality. My body, for example, loves to frivol away weight. I can eat like a pig and lounge around and my basal metabolism will spike and I won’t gain weight (nor lose much strength, though I do lose definition). Similar for people with metabolic syndrome: their bodies will literally start starving themselves by cutting basal metabolism in reaction to less food or more exertion before they’ll give up some fat cells. Not everyone who is obese has metabolic syndrome. But you’re going against the science if you insist all we need is diet and exercise education.

999900000999 2y ago

Americans are overweight. Our entire food chain is full of preservatives, carcinogens, and things that should not be consumed by living beings . I've spent small amounts of time in Europe, and each time literally just eating whatever junk food I wanted, I came home losing 10 or 20 pounds. The food outside of the US is just fundamentally better. Let's say you're a teenager and you want to buy yourself some soda, in America the vast majority of the time you're not getting real sugar, you're getting hyper processed corn syrup. Before you know it all types of weird crap isn't everything you eat. And this has disastrous effects . Ozempic is really a shortcut to an extremely complicated problem. Realistically if you want to eat quality food you have to move to another country, it's that bad.

badc0ffee 2y ago
This is basically a meme at this point - Sandwich, US >:| Sandwich, Japan :O I don't know what to believe anymore. I think sugar isn't good for you, whether it's "real" processed sugar, or HFCS which is a fructose ratio that is the same as honey, or agave syrup which has even more fructose. And, other countries have obesity problems too - e.g. Mexico and the UK. Are they tainted by... whatever... is the actual problem (or problems) with the US's food supply?
- Der_Einzige 2y ago
  In mexico (and south and Latin americas) case it’s primarily due to taking our obsession with sugar and multiplying it. They drink even more sugary soda than we do, and their deserts like tres leche cake are so delicious because they are diabetes on a plate.
artemsokolov 2y ago
There’s some misinformation here. The US does use more additives like BHA or potassium bromate (possible carcinogens—can you name others you’re thinking of?), but their link to obesity isn’t clear. As for soda, ‘hyper processed corn syrup’ I suppose just means high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS)—what’s the big difference you see from sugar? Research, like this meta-analysis (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9551185/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9551185/), shows HFCS and sugar are metabolically similar in typical amounts, no disaster there. Your weight loss in Europe might be more about activity than food quality. Short trips often mean more walking and exploring, which burns calories, even if you’re eating junk.

consteval 2y ago

It’s a very complicated issue, but I think, at its core, it’s because those other solutions just don’t work. I mean, they work for a lot of people all the time. But they’ve existed forever, and over the past 50 years the obesity epidemic has only gotten worse. Clearly, just offering things as available to people is not a systematic solution to this.

moduspol 2y ago

I lost ~55 pounds on a similar drug over about 10 months during 2023-2024. The drug avoids the need for any kind of willpower. You don't have to go out of your way or make lifestyle changes to lose weight. You don't even have to eat different food, but you'll almost certainly eat a lot less of it. That's just a dramatically preferable proposition than changing one's lifestyle, diet, and habits manually, and then keeping all that going for the rest of one's life.