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> No game has ever gave me the opportunity to re-read the same "page" You shouldn't claim to know anything about games if you have never willingly replayed a l

> No game has ever gave me the opportunity to re-read the same "page" You shouldn't claim to know anything about games if you have never willingly replayed a level of one after completing it. Or even replayed a level full stop, as the better analogy here is one where you fail to fully grasp a passage on the first try just as one might fail to complete a level on the first try. In fact, the way you seem to think a game is entirely pre-programmed and moves independently of your interaction with it makes me wonder if you've played any games at all. Which game were you thinking of when you wrote this post? Everything you mentioned has very obvious analogues in gaming.

piva00 2y ago
> In fact, the way you seem to think a game is entirely pre-programmed and moves independently of your interaction with it makes me wonder if you've played any games at all. You are either misunderstanding or misrepresenting what I said, in either case you are wrong. > You shouldn't claim to know anything about games if you have never willingly replayed a level of one after completing it. Or even replayed a level full stop, as the better analogy here is one where you fail to fully grasp a passage on the first try just as one might fail to complete a level on the first try Of course I did, and that's why I'm stating with absolute certainty that this isn't at all close to my relationship and experience with books. > Which game were you thinking of when you wrote this post? Everything you mentioned has very obvious analogues in gaming. I'm thinking of games with any kind of history/lore ranging from titles I'd consider more similar to books such as "Day of the Tentacle", "Full Throttle", to the modern incantations like "Last Of Us", passing through adventure/action games like "Castlevania", "Metroid", "Ultima" series, "Elder Scrolls" series, "Final Fantasy" series (played only VII, VIII, Tactics but they all follow the FF formula), "Legend of Zelda" (played all the SNES/N64 and the Switch ones), and also modern incantations like "Dark Souls", "Metal Gear Solid" (played 1 and 2), so on and so forth, just a brief list of what I'd like to mention to shutdown the argument that I don't know what I'm talking about. None of these games were ever the same experience as a book, they are their own media, with its own strengths but never, ever really like my experience with books.
- James_K 2y ago
  > just a brief list of what I'd like to mention to shutdown the argument that I don't know what I'm talking about. Maybe try a puzzle game (sokoban games provide a similar experience to the one you describe), or a multiplayer one. It seems your experience with games is fairly limited, and what you've done here is basically the equivalent of listing a bunch of Marvel movies to "shut down" the argument that you don't know much about cinema. Or for a more topical example, listing the Harry Potter books and Tolkien as proof you are well read. > None of these games were ever the same experience as a book Well it's a good thing we're talking about "mental stimulation" rather than "giving you the same experience as a book". There are obvious differences between games and books. Games have a controller, books often do not. Games often have different colours in them, books rarely do. I don't see much productive in you simply telling me that a game is different from a book, I know this. It is the core of my argument. That a game is different from a book, provides a greater level of mental stimulation, and yet doesn't have the supposed mental benefits that reading does, therefore these benefits are likely overstated in books. I also hypothesise that observed benefits of reading come from ideas presented in specific books rather than the mere act of reading any text. Any difference between games and books is only relevant to this discussion as it relates to those ideas.

piva00 2y ago

> In fact, the way you seem to think a game is entirely pre-programmed and moves independently of your interaction with it makes me wonder if you've played any games at all. You are either misunderstanding or misrepresenting what I said, in either case you are wrong. > You shouldn't claim to know anything about games if you have never willingly replayed a level of one after completing it. Or even replayed a level full stop, as the better analogy here is one where you fail to fully grasp a passage on the first try just as one might fail to complete a level on the first try Of course I did, and that's why I'm stating with absolute certainty that this isn't at all close to my relationship and experience with books. > Which game were you thinking of when you wrote this post? Everything you mentioned has very obvious analogues in gaming. I'm thinking of games with any kind of history/lore ranging from titles I'd consider more similar to books such as "Day of the Tentacle", "Full Throttle", to the modern incantations like "Last Of Us", passing through adventure/action games like "Castlevania", "Metroid", "Ultima" series, "Elder Scrolls" series, "Final Fantasy" series (played only VII, VIII, Tactics but they all follow the FF formula), "Legend of Zelda" (played all the SNES/N64 and the Switch ones), and also modern incantations like "Dark Souls", "Metal Gear Solid" (played 1 and 2), so on and so forth, just a brief list of what I'd like to mention to shutdown the argument that I don't know what I'm talking about. None of these games were ever the same experience as a book, they are their own media, with its own strengths but never, ever really like my experience with books.

James_K 2y ago
> just a brief list of what I'd like to mention to shutdown the argument that I don't know what I'm talking about. Maybe try a puzzle game (sokoban games provide a similar experience to the one you describe), or a multiplayer one. It seems your experience with games is fairly limited, and what you've done here is basically the equivalent of listing a bunch of Marvel movies to "shut down" the argument that you don't know much about cinema. Or for a more topical example, listing the Harry Potter books and Tolkien as proof you are well read. > None of these games were ever the same experience as a book Well it's a good thing we're talking about "mental stimulation" rather than "giving you the same experience as a book". There are obvious differences between games and books. Games have a controller, books often do not. Games often have different colours in them, books rarely do. I don't see much productive in you simply telling me that a game is different from a book, I know this. It is the core of my argument. That a game is different from a book, provides a greater level of mental stimulation, and yet doesn't have the supposed mental benefits that reading does, therefore these benefits are likely overstated in books. I also hypothesise that observed benefits of reading come from ideas presented in specific books rather than the mere act of reading any text. Any difference between games and books is only relevant to this discussion as it relates to those ideas.