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For the same reasons the US entered WWI and WWII - the US economy has gained more than any other from a stable rule based world. The US paid to rebuild Europe a

by jemmyw 2y ago

For the same reasons the US entered WWI and WWII - the US economy has gained more than any other from a stable rule based world. The US paid to rebuild Europe after WWII and that act did nothing but pay dividends. Thought of another way, if those minerals in the ground are useful resources for the US, it's more in the US benefit to pay now to stabilize the situation so they can later buy the minerals from a happy and productive population - as the amount of trade going the other way will probably be vastly greater. Same is true of Russia, if it was possible to undo the fuckup there after the fall of the USSR. It could be a huge economy. It's not a zero sum game, if Ukraine and Russia have bigger free economies then everyone else gets bigger too. That's the idea anyway, it's worked before. It maybe didn't work with China because we forgot the free part. But Ukraine was already heading in the right direction with democracy and fighting corruption - which is pretty much the reason for the war.

FirmwareBurner 2y ago
Historical fact: US population also didn't want to enter WW2 because they saw the war as Europe's problem, just like how I see this war mostly as Ukraine's problem. The US only entered WW2 after Pearl Harbor.
- piva00 2y ago
  Your analogy means you would only like to enter war after Russia bombs somewhere else in Europe? When it becomes inevitable to go to war and we have to pay orders of magnitude more in economical terms, and an immeasurable price in lives? That sounds rather... Stupid?
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    >Your analogy means It doesn't. That's what your made up analogy means in your head. Don't put words in my mouth to twist the narrative in your corner. I was only pointing out that today, just like 70+ years ago in WW2, individuals want to stay out of other countrys' wars out of self preservation.
    - piva00 2y ago
      Sorry, I didn't expect that an obvious historical fact (which I believe is common knowledge) was being used just as trivia. It's the second time I interact with you today, it's the second time you become extremely defensive and reactionary. Do you behave like that in real life? Rather exhausting. On that note, I would invite you to read my reply to you earlier today [0], might help to put down the armor a little, and perhaps think about engaging with more curiosity and less aggressiveness out of the bat, not everyone is out to get you. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43290743 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43290743

by jemmyw 2y ago

FirmwareBurner 2y ago

Historical fact: US population also didn't want to enter WW2 because they saw the war as Europe's problem, just like how I see this war mostly as Ukraine's problem. The US only entered WW2 after Pearl Harbor.

piva00 2y ago
Your analogy means you would only like to enter war after Russia bombs somewhere else in Europe? When it becomes inevitable to go to war and we have to pay orders of magnitude more in economical terms, and an immeasurable price in lives? That sounds rather... Stupid?
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago
  >Your analogy means It doesn't. That's what your made up analogy means in your head. Don't put words in my mouth to twist the narrative in your corner. I was only pointing out that today, just like 70+ years ago in WW2, individuals want to stay out of other countrys' wars out of self preservation.
  - piva00 2y ago
    Sorry, I didn't expect that an obvious historical fact (which I believe is common knowledge) was being used just as trivia. It's the second time I interact with you today, it's the second time you become extremely defensive and reactionary. Do you behave like that in real life? Rather exhausting. On that note, I would invite you to read my reply to you earlier today [0], might help to put down the armor a little, and perhaps think about engaging with more curiosity and less aggressiveness out of the bat, not everyone is out to get you. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43290743 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43290743