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They are fighting the only country that exists which poses a threat to Europe. If they defeat that country we all benefit.

by argsnd 2y ago

FirmwareBurner 2y ago
How will Ukraine defeat a nuclear power? Do you think Putin given his ego, after all he's put his country and reputation through, is just gonna walk back and admit defeat if you throw enough EU money and Ukrainian bodies at him? How naive can you be?
- andrewflnr 2y ago
  Small animals can defeat large, powerful predators simply by being too prickly to bother with. Russia is almost certainly not going to deploy nukes over Ukraine. The cost/benefit is just not there: they won't help take or hold territory, and they invite strategic retaliation from more actors than just Ukraine. So. Putin's political position is not unassailable (remember how touch-and-go things were with Prigozhin? How hardly anyone stood up to him?). If holding Ukraine becomes genuinely untenable, he'll have to make some excuse to leave, or fall. It's even possible he'll die of old age or pneumonia and be replaced by a more reasonable psychopath.
- consteval 2y ago
  Because we, no matter how arrogant, cannot predict the future. Putin could have a heart attack. He might be assassinated by an insider. The soldiers may even decide the war isn't worth fighting. Putin is not a God, he is a man. The circumstances of that are extremely unpredictable.
- eru 2y ago
  > How will Ukraine defeat a nuclear power? See what Ukraine is doing right now, and add more weapons and money. They won't 'defeat' Russia in the sense of Ukrainian soldiers marching down Red Square in Moscow. But they will make Russia lose the war. > Do you think Putin given his ego, after all he's put his country and reputation through, is just gonna walk back and admit defeat if you throw enough EU money and Ukrainian bodies at him? If the alternative is being deposed at home, yes.
- monkey_monkey 2y ago
  How did the Afghans humiliate the USSR?

They are fighting the only country that exists which poses a threat to Europe. If they defeat that country we all benefit.

by argsnd 2y ago

They are fighting the only country that exists which poses a threat to Europe. If they defeat that country we all benefit.

FirmwareBurner 2y ago

How will Ukraine defeat a nuclear power? Do you think Putin given his ego, after all he's put his country and reputation through, is just gonna walk back and admit defeat if you throw enough EU money and Ukrainian bodies at him? How naive can you be?

andrewflnr 2y ago
Small animals can defeat large, powerful predators simply by being too prickly to bother with. Russia is almost certainly not going to deploy nukes over Ukraine. The cost/benefit is just not there: they won't help take or hold territory, and they invite strategic retaliation from more actors than just Ukraine. So. Putin's political position is not unassailable (remember how touch-and-go things were with Prigozhin? How hardly anyone stood up to him?). If holding Ukraine becomes genuinely untenable, he'll have to make some excuse to leave, or fall. It's even possible he'll die of old age or pneumonia and be replaced by a more reasonable psychopath.
consteval 2y ago
Because we, no matter how arrogant, cannot predict the future. Putin could have a heart attack. He might be assassinated by an insider. The soldiers may even decide the war isn't worth fighting. Putin is not a God, he is a man. The circumstances of that are extremely unpredictable.
eru 2y ago
> How will Ukraine defeat a nuclear power? See what Ukraine is doing right now, and add more weapons and money. They won't 'defeat' Russia in the sense of Ukrainian soldiers marching down Red Square in Moscow. But they will make Russia lose the war. > Do you think Putin given his ego, after all he's put his country and reputation through, is just gonna walk back and admit defeat if you throw enough EU money and Ukrainian bodies at him? If the alternative is being deposed at home, yes.
monkey_monkey 2y ago
How did the Afghans humiliate the USSR?