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The same AI search results that recommend that their users eat glue or kill themselves. I don't believe this is a right move for Google, but Google does not ca

The same AI search results that recommend that their users eat glue or kill themselves. I don't believe this is a right move for Google, but Google does not care about that. Google cares about showing ads, and I'd love to know how they plan on doing that, when everybody will google a term, read the (terrible) AI description and close the tab. Will the ads be injected directly into the responses? Will this be fairly and transparently disclosed? There was a running theory that google results have detoriated in quality because google wants you to scroll down, to look at more ads. This runs contrary to this expected behavior, so I don't know what to think. I might have to start looking for an alternative. I really like Ecosia, but if anybody has any recommendations, do tell.

Hackbraten 2y ago
I’ve been quite happy with Kagi so far.
- pmx 2y ago
  I second Kagi, its been very good for me to the point I don't use google at all now.
  - dingnuts 2y ago
    I did the trial a year ago and never looked back; it's awesome
eschatology 2y ago
I’ve personally replaced about 2 out of 5 searches with chatgpt queries so I do believe it’s in the right direction I think the first paragraph while true is not indicative of anything since it can be fixed and improved
- _mitterpach 2y ago
  SOTA ChatGPT models have a hallucinaton rate of 37.1%! [1] I can't say that I have not used it in similar ways though, and it might be very often the best alternative. I just worry that in this age of misinformation, many incorrect 'facts' will be absorbed blindly into these models and spewed forth. (edit - wrong source, my bad) [1] https://nypost.com/2025/02/28/business/sam-altmans-openai-launches-gpt-4-5-with-fewer-hallucinations-as-ai-race-heats-up/ https://nypost.com/2025/02/28/business/sam-altmans-openai-la...
  - Karrot_Kream 2y ago
    I'm not sure if you meant to cite that source, it has nothing to do with the hallucination rate you state in your post.
    - _mitterpach 2y ago
      You are completely right, my bad! Fixed the source now.
aucisson_masque 2y ago
They show a picture in the article where a few website are linked on top of the answer. https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/AI-Mode.png https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/AI-Mo... I assume the ads could be to replace the first website by an ad. With LLM, it's also very possible that the ad get injected directly into the result. For instance, searching for 'is car insurance obligatory?' would return the usual paragraph about yes and why and then tell you insuranceX has pretty good car insurance pricing and reputation.
fuglede_ 2y ago
How about qwant.com? Privacy friendly, no nonsense by default.
- Tepix 2y ago
  I've only seen qwant being used on heise.de until 1-2 years ago and found it to be bad. These days i use duckduckgo and perplexity most of the time.
jwr 2y ago
Kagi. It's like Google when Google wasn't ad-ridden garbage.
- deleted 2y ago
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Terr_ 2y ago
> I'd love to know how they plan on doing that, when everybody will google a term, read the (terrible) AI description and close the tab. Using an LLM, they can set up the bot-character to dynamically recommend, persuade, and prime viewers directly. A subtler version of the Truman Show model: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BCJyGy6AFJo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BCJyGy6AFJo
johnisgood 2y ago
Any recommendations for search engines that do not get rid of results that violate DMCA? You know, "watch X free online" used to give me all sorts of useful websites, now it typically does not or it takes longer to find them. Of course if you know where to look, it does not matter as much, and I do, but still. :P I just want the old Google experience.
- mavhc 2y ago
  Brave search seems the least censored

Hackbraten 2y ago

I’ve been quite happy with Kagi so far.

pmx 2y ago
I second Kagi, its been very good for me to the point I don't use google at all now.
- dingnuts 2y ago
  I did the trial a year ago and never looked back; it's awesome

eschatology 2y ago

I’ve personally replaced about 2 out of 5 searches with chatgpt queries so I do believe it’s in the right direction I think the first paragraph while true is not indicative of anything since it can be fixed and improved

_mitterpach 2y ago
SOTA ChatGPT models have a hallucinaton rate of 37.1%! [1] I can't say that I have not used it in similar ways though, and it might be very often the best alternative. I just worry that in this age of misinformation, many incorrect 'facts' will be absorbed blindly into these models and spewed forth. (edit - wrong source, my bad) [1] https://nypost.com/2025/02/28/business/sam-altmans-openai-launches-gpt-4-5-with-fewer-hallucinations-as-ai-race-heats-up/ https://nypost.com/2025/02/28/business/sam-altmans-openai-la...
- Karrot_Kream 2y ago
  I'm not sure if you meant to cite that source, it has nothing to do with the hallucination rate you state in your post.
  - _mitterpach 2y ago
    You are completely right, my bad! Fixed the source now.

aucisson_masque 2y ago

They show a picture in the article where a few website are linked on top of the answer. https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/AI-Mode.png https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/AI-Mo... I assume the ads could be to replace the first website by an ad. With LLM, it's also very possible that the ad get injected directly into the result. For instance, searching for 'is car insurance obligatory?' would return the usual paragraph about yes and why and then tell you insuranceX has pretty good car insurance pricing and reputation.

fuglede_ 2y ago

How about qwant.com? Privacy friendly, no nonsense by default.

Tepix 2y ago
I've only seen qwant being used on heise.de until 1-2 years ago and found it to be bad. These days i use duckduckgo and perplexity most of the time.

jwr 2y ago

Kagi. It's like Google when Google wasn't ad-ridden garbage.

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Terr_ 2y ago

> I'd love to know how they plan on doing that, when everybody will google a term, read the (terrible) AI description and close the tab. Using an LLM, they can set up the bot-character to dynamically recommend, persuade, and prime viewers directly. A subtler version of the Truman Show model: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BCJyGy6AFJo https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BCJyGy6AFJo

johnisgood 2y ago

Any recommendations for search engines that do not get rid of results that violate DMCA? You know, "watch X free online" used to give me all sorts of useful websites, now it typically does not or it takes longer to find them. Of course if you know where to look, it does not matter as much, and I do, but still. :P I just want the old Google experience.

mavhc 2y ago
Brave search seems the least censored