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This is just a way for Google to go "See! They aren't using the add-on. They are giving us consent to sell their data!"

mrweasel 2y ago
Google, and so many others, failed to do the logical check: If this was off by default, would users enable it? If not, then it doesn't need to be a feature. If the domain wasn't google.com, this would look like a fairly sketchy click. At least for Firefox, this isn't a link to an add-on, rather it's a download. While I understand that no everything in addons.mozilla.org is to be trusted, I don't think it's a good idea to train people to install random things they download from weird looking random pages online.
- idle_zealot 2y ago
  > Google, and so many others, failed to do the logical check: If this was off by default, would users enable it? If not, then it doesn't need to be a feature. You fundamentally misunderstand the forces at play if you think this is a failure on their part. They are incentivized financially to be user hostile. There is no magical moral compass embedded within the market that rewards those who make product decisions based on what people want, or what's good for them. They're an ads and tracking company. Approximately nobody would opt-in to their dragnet. Their whole operation is using free services as bait to track and manipulate as many aspects of human life as possible. There is no meeting where someone internally might say "hey, what do you think the user wants, what's best for them?" It's "we want the users to feel/do X, how do we get them there?"
  - mrweasel 2y ago
    > You fundamentally misunderstand the forces at play Sadly I do understand, I just don't want to.
- wartijn_ 2y ago
  That logical check only makes sense if you assume that the users of Google analytics are people visiting websites. But that’s obviously not the case here Google Analytics is added a website by whoever runs that website, and they very much did enable it.
- rpastuszak 2y ago
  More like “paid 20bn to ignore that logical check”: https://untested.sonnet.io/notes/defaults-matter-dont-assume-consent/ https://untested.sonnet.io/notes/defaults-matter-dont-assume...
- lelandfe 2y ago
  Also Google: Would you like to open this link in your phone’s default browser or download Chrome? Yes/Download/Ask me again every time
gotimo 2y ago
Relevant: RFC 35140: The Do-Not-Stab flag in the HTTP Header https://www.5snb.club/posts/2023/do-not-stab/ https://www.5snb.club/posts/2023/do-not-stab/

Google, and so many others, failed to do the logical check: If this was off by default, would users enable it? If not, then it doesn't need to be a feature. If the domain wasn't google.com, this would look like a fairly sketchy click. At least for Firefox, this isn't a link to an add-on, rather it's a download. While I understand that no everything in addons.mozilla.org is to be trusted, I don't think it's a good idea to train people to install random things they download from weird looking random pages online.

idle_zealot 2y ago
> Google, and so many others, failed to do the logical check: If this was off by default, would users enable it? If not, then it doesn't need to be a feature. You fundamentally misunderstand the forces at play if you think this is a failure on their part. They are incentivized financially to be user hostile. There is no magical moral compass embedded within the market that rewards those who make product decisions based on what people want, or what's good for them. They're an ads and tracking company. Approximately nobody would opt-in to their dragnet. Their whole operation is using free services as bait to track and manipulate as many aspects of human life as possible. There is no meeting where someone internally might say "hey, what do you think the user wants, what's best for them?" It's "we want the users to feel/do X, how do we get them there?"
- mrweasel 2y ago
  > You fundamentally misunderstand the forces at play Sadly I do understand, I just don't want to.
wartijn_ 2y ago
That logical check only makes sense if you assume that the users of Google analytics are people visiting websites. But that’s obviously not the case here Google Analytics is added a website by whoever runs that website, and they very much did enable it.
rpastuszak 2y ago
More like “paid 20bn to ignore that logical check”: https://untested.sonnet.io/notes/defaults-matter-dont-assume-consent/ https://untested.sonnet.io/notes/defaults-matter-dont-assume...
lelandfe 2y ago
Also Google: Would you like to open this link in your phone’s default browser or download Chrome? Yes/Download/Ask me again every time

gotimo 2y ago

Relevant: RFC 35140: The Do-Not-Stab flag in the HTTP Header https://www.5snb.club/posts/2023/do-not-stab/ https://www.5snb.club/posts/2023/do-not-stab/