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You can't. Your best bet is to joint the fediverse so you can interoperate with existing networks, like Mastodon. > too much moderation > rampant bot abuse Y

by smt88 2y ago

You can't. Your best bet is to joint the fediverse so you can interoperate with existing networks, like Mastodon. > too much moderation > rampant bot abuse You can't solve the bot problem without thorough, labor-intensive moderation. These two of your goals are at odds with each other. I will also say that almost 100% of the value of reddit is the moderation. After Musk eviscerated Twitter's moderation, it became more of a cesspit and people have been leaving for better-moderated networks. > I want to make sure all political content is restricted or super duper limited How are you going to do this without moderation? What's your definition is political? Is discussing climate change political? What about health care? If filtering certain topics or moderating a social network were a simple problem, bigger companies (like Meta) would've solved it without armies of human moderators. Which also begs the question: how would you keep CSAM off your network?

setnone 2y ago
for CSAM part i'm sure AI solution could work
- smt88 2y ago
  It's incredibly expensive to do that with flagship models, and many countries have laws that require human intervention for CSAM reports anyway
  - setnone 2y ago
    Perhaps a naive take but money, resources and even legislative friction are non issues to try to solve such a disturbing humanity-level problem on a global scale. Which platform or entity wouldn't want to invest or otherwise back it up? Meta alone should shower such initiative with money and proccessing capacity. So then OP could just integrate simple API into their new social network.
    - rsynnott 2y ago
      ... So wait, you're suggesting that they simply use a non-existent Facebook product which Facebook will, for reasons unclear, provide to their competitors for free?
      - setnone 2y ago
        Not necessarily for free, but since this problem has criminal aspect and lasting negative societal impact, i.e. hurt people hurt people, the solution should not be profit-first. Meta does offer LLama, don't know their reasons, for free, and i only mention them as a largest platform. This not-yet-existent product should be whatever FAANG and governments effort which will save everybody a ton of money. Edit: some other reasons i mention Meta https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43293004 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43293004 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32521609 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32521609 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35726102 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35726102
nextn 2y ago
> You can't solve the bot problem without thorough, labor-intensive moderation. I want to see a social network that solves the bot problem by requiring a fee to post.
- realityfactchex 2y ago
  It exists: well.com
- smt88 2y ago
  > I want to see a social network that solves the bot problem by requiring a fee to post. I think this is doable without losing massive numbers of users. You could do it by requiring a small fee to post publicly, but you could post for free to your followers. BlueSky kind of flirts with this model because you have to pay to get your own domain if you don't want to use theirs.
- asukachikaru 2y ago
  Albeit the effect may very depending on the amount of the fee, I find it hard to imagine fee would stop the bot problem. World of Warcraft requires fee for accessing the most recent expansion, as well as the subscription, but it is swarmed by the bots all the same. IMO as long as there are traffic aka money, there will be bots.
  - nextn 2y ago
    It's a question of price.
- paulcole 2y ago
  Metafilter.com
- Quinzel 2y ago
  > I want to see a social network that solves the bot problem by requiring a fee to post. Why would people pay to post? Why do people post in the first place?

by smt88 2y ago

setnone 2y ago

for CSAM part i'm sure AI solution could work

smt88 2y ago
It's incredibly expensive to do that with flagship models, and many countries have laws that require human intervention for CSAM reports anyway
- setnone 2y ago
  Perhaps a naive take but money, resources and even legislative friction are non issues to try to solve such a disturbing humanity-level problem on a global scale. Which platform or entity wouldn't want to invest or otherwise back it up? Meta alone should shower such initiative with money and proccessing capacity. So then OP could just integrate simple API into their new social network.
  - rsynnott 2y ago
    ... So wait, you're suggesting that they simply use a non-existent Facebook product which Facebook will, for reasons unclear, provide to their competitors for free?
    - setnone 2y ago
      Not necessarily for free, but since this problem has criminal aspect and lasting negative societal impact, i.e. hurt people hurt people, the solution should not be profit-first. Meta does offer LLama, don't know their reasons, for free, and i only mention them as a largest platform. This not-yet-existent product should be whatever FAANG and governments effort which will save everybody a ton of money. Edit: some other reasons i mention Meta https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43293004 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43293004 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32521609 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32521609 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35726102 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35726102

nextn 2y ago

> You can't solve the bot problem without thorough, labor-intensive moderation. I want to see a social network that solves the bot problem by requiring a fee to post.

realityfactchex 2y ago
It exists: well.com
smt88 2y ago
> I want to see a social network that solves the bot problem by requiring a fee to post. I think this is doable without losing massive numbers of users. You could do it by requiring a small fee to post publicly, but you could post for free to your followers. BlueSky kind of flirts with this model because you have to pay to get your own domain if you don't want to use theirs.
asukachikaru 2y ago
Albeit the effect may very depending on the amount of the fee, I find it hard to imagine fee would stop the bot problem. World of Warcraft requires fee for accessing the most recent expansion, as well as the subscription, but it is swarmed by the bots all the same. IMO as long as there are traffic aka money, there will be bots.
- nextn 2y ago
  It's a question of price.
paulcole 2y ago
Metafilter.com
Quinzel 2y ago
> I want to see a social network that solves the bot problem by requiring a fee to post. Why would people pay to post? Why do people post in the first place?