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So this is just going to be ongoing drama the beginning of every month indefinitely? I’m not even sure what we are trying to extract from Canada at this point.

krapp 2y ago
Are you not entertained?
- AnimalMuppet 2y ago
  No. No, I'm not. I'm several other things, but I'm not entertained.
- jhickok 2y ago
  Not even in the abstract.
techpineapple 2y ago
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- jhickok 2y ago
  Every time Trump mentions how the US “subsidizes” Canada I assume he is talking about the trade deficit? Maybe defense? I have no idea.
namshe 2y ago
> I’m not even sure what we are trying to extract from Canada at this point. Their energy, their focus, their attention. Your attention. All the time people spend in stress / outrage / fear / whatever in reaction to these events, that's time and energy not available to look at the news that get less coverage (which are usually the more important). It also sucks all the air out of other internal political discussion - US trade relations take #1 priority and so everything else either gets forgotten or put on hold. Easy way to set your opponents back when you have the upper hand like the US does.
- toomuchtodo 2y ago
  “How can I decouple from the US as fast as possible?” is what this leads to. Diplomacy is the art of saying “good dog” until you make it to the rock. The US will apply pressure for short term gain against allies while they move away long term.
  - namshe 2y ago
    Correct, that seems to be the intent behind these policies.
- 3vidence 2y ago
  Not sure how this is setting Canada back. It's actually pushing us to improve our economic policies that we've been debating about for years because the country is mostly united. Getting rid of interprovincial trade barriers is a net good for Canada as is increasing trade diversification. The US definitely seems like the one set back so far...
- blibble 2y ago
  > Easy way to set your opponents back when you have the upper hand like the US does. if the US had the upper hand it wouldn't have issued this partial climb-down so much winning
legitster 2y ago
It seems like they keep trying it and hoping the markets respond better. But watching today, it seems like the markets aren't getting tricked anymore.
- jhickok 2y ago
  I don’t know who needs to hear this in the executive branch, but markets do not like uncertainty.
- rsynnott 2y ago
  The markets(TM) tend to have a bit of a normalcy/nothing-ever-happens bias, and are overly-willing to discount the possibility of unusual/nonsensical things happening. So, to an extent, even when tariffs were announced, the markets did not entirely believe in them. However, they are beginning to believe in them now.

krapp 2y ago

Are you not entertained?

AnimalMuppet 2y ago
No. No, I'm not. I'm several other things, but I'm not entertained.
jhickok 2y ago
Not even in the abstract.

techpineapple 2y ago

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jhickok 2y ago
Every time Trump mentions how the US “subsidizes” Canada I assume he is talking about the trade deficit? Maybe defense? I have no idea.

namshe 2y ago

> I’m not even sure what we are trying to extract from Canada at this point. Their energy, their focus, their attention. Your attention. All the time people spend in stress / outrage / fear / whatever in reaction to these events, that's time and energy not available to look at the news that get less coverage (which are usually the more important). It also sucks all the air out of other internal political discussion - US trade relations take #1 priority and so everything else either gets forgotten or put on hold. Easy way to set your opponents back when you have the upper hand like the US does.

toomuchtodo 2y ago
“How can I decouple from the US as fast as possible?” is what this leads to. Diplomacy is the art of saying “good dog” until you make it to the rock. The US will apply pressure for short term gain against allies while they move away long term.
- namshe 2y ago
  Correct, that seems to be the intent behind these policies.
3vidence 2y ago
Not sure how this is setting Canada back. It's actually pushing us to improve our economic policies that we've been debating about for years because the country is mostly united. Getting rid of interprovincial trade barriers is a net good for Canada as is increasing trade diversification. The US definitely seems like the one set back so far...
blibble 2y ago
> Easy way to set your opponents back when you have the upper hand like the US does. if the US had the upper hand it wouldn't have issued this partial climb-down so much winning

legitster 2y ago

It seems like they keep trying it and hoping the markets respond better. But watching today, it seems like the markets aren't getting tricked anymore.

jhickok 2y ago
I don’t know who needs to hear this in the executive branch, but markets do not like uncertainty.
rsynnott 2y ago
The markets(TM) tend to have a bit of a normalcy/nothing-ever-happens bias, and are overly-willing to discount the possibility of unusual/nonsensical things happening. So, to an extent, even when tariffs were announced, the markets did not entirely believe in them. However, they are beginning to believe in them now.