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The problem with Discord is that it doesn't allow for servers in the same way a protocol like IRC does. Some commenters have alluded to this. From a quick glan

by korse 2y ago

The problem with Discord is that it doesn't allow for servers in the same way a protocol like IRC does. Some commenters have alluded to this. From a quick glance, revolt.chat doesn't allow for server creation either. Am I mistaken or is this pretty much a joke (Discord replacement with the only real benefit being a 'trust us bro, we're European' sort of promise to not do bad things)?

TulliusCicero 2y ago
What you classify as a problem is exactly why Discord was a smashing success.
- korse 2y ago
  Financial success, undoubtedly. Successful at distancing users from the systems that underpin their interactions, certainly. As far as granting users more agency over their digital existence, it has been an abject failure, a state consistently exacerbated by the number of tech communities that could easily exist on IRC or a custom platform. It really hurts when a con is so solid that even the 'enlightened' are ensnared.
  - TulliusCicero 2y ago
    A success in terms of popularity, in terms of creating something that regular users enjoy and find value in using. > It really hurts when a con is so solid that even the 'enlightened' are ensnared. It's exactly this sort of sneering attitude that so often causes FOSS projects to fail to catch on in the mainstream. The framing isn't "people like this feature set", it's "people got conned". For a certain type of user, they must see others' preferences as beneath them, as lesser.
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    - korse 2y ago
      I'm not an elitist and I don't have problems with 'regular users'. What I do have a problem with is all the technical users who know better and turn everything over to Discord corp anyway. How many 'hacker spaces' do you know that use Discord as a primary communications channel? They could just as well run a primary communications channel on something sensible, durable and self-hosted that ties in to discord intake for newcomers. Come in to the discord, say hi, chat a bit and then graduate to where the real content is. Discord should have been a on-ramp for technical communities, not the foundation.
MathMonkeyMan 2y ago
There is server creation in the sense that you can host the whole backend on your own domain: <https://github.com/revoltchat/self-hosted/blob/master/compose.yml https://github.com/revoltchat/self-hosted/blob/master/compos...>. Not sure if their own hosted offering has a "click to spin up new server" button. Probably not.
- korse 2y ago
  Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!

by korse 2y ago

TulliusCicero 2y ago

What you classify as a problem is exactly why Discord was a smashing success.

korse 2y ago
Financial success, undoubtedly. Successful at distancing users from the systems that underpin their interactions, certainly. As far as granting users more agency over their digital existence, it has been an abject failure, a state consistently exacerbated by the number of tech communities that could easily exist on IRC or a custom platform. It really hurts when a con is so solid that even the 'enlightened' are ensnared.
- TulliusCicero 2y ago
  A success in terms of popularity, in terms of creating something that regular users enjoy and find value in using. > It really hurts when a con is so solid that even the 'enlightened' are ensnared. It's exactly this sort of sneering attitude that so often causes FOSS projects to fail to catch on in the mainstream. The framing isn't "people like this feature set", it's "people got conned". For a certain type of user, they must see others' preferences as beneath them, as lesser.
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  - korse 2y ago
    I'm not an elitist and I don't have problems with 'regular users'. What I do have a problem with is all the technical users who know better and turn everything over to Discord corp anyway. How many 'hacker spaces' do you know that use Discord as a primary communications channel? They could just as well run a primary communications channel on something sensible, durable and self-hosted that ties in to discord intake for newcomers. Come in to the discord, say hi, chat a bit and then graduate to where the real content is. Discord should have been a on-ramp for technical communities, not the foundation.

MathMonkeyMan 2y ago

There is server creation in the sense that you can host the whole backend on your own domain: <https://github.com/revoltchat/self-hosted/blob/master/compose.yml https://github.com/revoltchat/self-hosted/blob/master/compos...>. Not sure if their own hosted offering has a "click to spin up new server" button. Probably not.

korse 2y ago
Thanks for pointing me in the right direction!