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Why do you think it's particularly likely that two tiny objects running out of power will not only outlive Earth, but also any future objects sent from Earth to

Why do you think it's particularly likely that two tiny objects running out of power will not only outlive Earth, but also any future objects sent from Earth to do the same things they're doing now? Or are you betting on the lack of future space exploration probes and relatively quick destruction of the Earth?

f001 2y ago
If I were to guess it would be the latter. We seem to be heading for it rather quickly at least.
misnome 2y ago
The chance of them hitting anything in the time it takes the sun to swallow the earth is probably tiny? As for more probes - getting more speed than these did efficiently is probably hard, let alone the fact that they don’t generate personal profit probably stops them being politically viable for a while…
- hackeraccount 2y ago
  I was just reading a book that touched on Ancient Rome. The author tried to convey the significance of the Council of Nicaea by comparing it to the furor over Global Warming. I only mention that to say that the motivations of people in the future will probably seem odd to us and it's possible ours may seem equally odd to them. Not odd in the sense that they are intellectually inscrutable but - like people getting excited over the matters theological - that they're emotionally inscrutable.
  - linguaz 2y ago
    > I was just reading a book that touched on Ancient Rome. The author tried to convey the significance of the Council of Nicaea by comparing it to the furor over Global Warming. Could you please share the title of this book?
- jacobgkau 2y ago
  > getting more speed than these did efficiently is probably hard, A new probe wouldn't necessarily need to travel faster than these to not be on Earth when the sun dies. The idea of there being a minuscule chance the Voyager probes hit anything is fair, but even a third one of the exact same model launched in the exact same direction has just as much chance of surviving just as long, barring wild speculation that could easily go either way.
  - misnome 2y ago
    Right, of course, I think I misread the parents’ > but also any future objects sent from Earth to do the same things As somehow saying something about the “furthest”
- floxy 2y ago
  >getting more speed than these did efficiently is probably hard Here is one approach using solar sails that would get up to 22 AU/year (~6 times faster than Voyager 1): https://youtu.be/NQFqDKRAROI?si=Ol20sGMnsEMhRVf1&t=883 https://youtu.be/NQFqDKRAROI?si=Ol20sGMnsEMhRVf1&t=883 ...and then further down in TRL: using laser pushed light sails to get over 10% of the speed of light: https://ia800108.us.archive.org/view_archive.php?archive=/24/items/wikipedia-scholarly-sources-corpus/10.2514.zip&file=10.2514%252F3.8632.pdf https://ia800108.us.archive.org/view_archive.php?archive=/24...
mystified5016 2y ago
IIRC we've projected that there's nothing in their path for millions of years, as far as we can reasonably predict. Whether humans will still exist or our planet is a glowing radioactive waste by the time the voyagers encounter a new star is not a given.

f001 2y ago

If I were to guess it would be the latter. We seem to be heading for it rather quickly at least.

misnome 2y ago

The chance of them hitting anything in the time it takes the sun to swallow the earth is probably tiny? As for more probes - getting more speed than these did efficiently is probably hard, let alone the fact that they don’t generate personal profit probably stops them being politically viable for a while…

hackeraccount 2y ago
I was just reading a book that touched on Ancient Rome. The author tried to convey the significance of the Council of Nicaea by comparing it to the furor over Global Warming. I only mention that to say that the motivations of people in the future will probably seem odd to us and it's possible ours may seem equally odd to them. Not odd in the sense that they are intellectually inscrutable but - like people getting excited over the matters theological - that they're emotionally inscrutable.
- linguaz 2y ago
  > I was just reading a book that touched on Ancient Rome. The author tried to convey the significance of the Council of Nicaea by comparing it to the furor over Global Warming. Could you please share the title of this book?
jacobgkau 2y ago
> getting more speed than these did efficiently is probably hard, A new probe wouldn't necessarily need to travel faster than these to not be on Earth when the sun dies. The idea of there being a minuscule chance the Voyager probes hit anything is fair, but even a third one of the exact same model launched in the exact same direction has just as much chance of surviving just as long, barring wild speculation that could easily go either way.
- misnome 2y ago
  Right, of course, I think I misread the parents’ > but also any future objects sent from Earth to do the same things As somehow saying something about the “furthest”
floxy 2y ago
>getting more speed than these did efficiently is probably hard Here is one approach using solar sails that would get up to 22 AU/year (~6 times faster than Voyager 1): https://youtu.be/NQFqDKRAROI?si=Ol20sGMnsEMhRVf1&t=883 https://youtu.be/NQFqDKRAROI?si=Ol20sGMnsEMhRVf1&t=883 ...and then further down in TRL: using laser pushed light sails to get over 10% of the speed of light: https://ia800108.us.archive.org/view_archive.php?archive=/24/items/wikipedia-scholarly-sources-corpus/10.2514.zip&file=10.2514%252F3.8632.pdf https://ia800108.us.archive.org/view_archive.php?archive=/24...

mystified5016 2y ago

IIRC we've projected that there's nothing in their path for millions of years, as far as we can reasonably predict. Whether humans will still exist or our planet is a glowing radioactive waste by the time the voyagers encounter a new star is not a given.