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Seems like I like arguing.. let us go with your definition.. US has several outlying territories. US has around 800 military bases around the world. In SK and

by vaidhy 2y ago

Seems like I like arguing.. let us go with your definition.. US has several outlying territories. US has around 800 military bases around the world. In SK and Japan (and to a large extent in Australia), US dictates the policies. The world institutions have been mostly controlled by the US without putting itself under their jurisdiction. I see one dominant center with several subordinate peripheries - in Europe, Australia, SK, Japan and the island nations of Pacific. Unlike olden days, you do not need to send people as governers directly. You only need to control the trade, defence and foreign policies.

tim333 2y ago
I live in Europe / UK and I'm not aware of being in a subordinate periphery. We have cooperated with the US in opposing Russia / the USSR but I'm not aware of being in part of the US empire and you may note that now the White House has been occupied by the Kremlin and is telling Ukraine to surrender to Russia, we are telling them to sod off with that. Is the UK part of the US empire or is the US still partly part of the British Empire and how can I tell? Also re Australia, it's a long standing military ally of the US but it still a constitutional monarchy under the British crown - I think they still have Liz on some of the bank notes. I guess military cooperation trumps head of state? It all gets confusing.
- vaidhy 2y ago
  I know it is several days, but Europe and Australia have given up their foreign policy independence in return being part of US defense umbrella. Western Europe and Australia will toe the US line pretty much always, even if it is against the detriment of their own citizens and countries. This Munich security conference is a wake-up call for EU in many ways. The speeches by JD Vance and Jeffery Sachs were both shocking in different ways. The reason you are telling US to sod off now, is primarily because you want to return to the old ways of pre-Trump. Europe really likes the NATO security umbrella and the money from US. When the old ways are threatened, you are screaming to return to the old ways. I am not seeing a Europe that is saying we will be independent. I am seeing an Europe that desperately wants a return to the predicable security umbrella.

by vaidhy 2y ago

tim333 2y ago

I live in Europe / UK and I'm not aware of being in a subordinate periphery. We have cooperated with the US in opposing Russia / the USSR but I'm not aware of being in part of the US empire and you may note that now the White House has been occupied by the Kremlin and is telling Ukraine to surrender to Russia, we are telling them to sod off with that. Is the UK part of the US empire or is the US still partly part of the British Empire and how can I tell? Also re Australia, it's a long standing military ally of the US but it still a constitutional monarchy under the British crown - I think they still have Liz on some of the bank notes. I guess military cooperation trumps head of state? It all gets confusing.

vaidhy 2y ago
I know it is several days, but Europe and Australia have given up their foreign policy independence in return being part of US defense umbrella. Western Europe and Australia will toe the US line pretty much always, even if it is against the detriment of their own citizens and countries. This Munich security conference is a wake-up call for EU in many ways. The speeches by JD Vance and Jeffery Sachs were both shocking in different ways. The reason you are telling US to sod off now, is primarily because you want to return to the old ways of pre-Trump. Europe really likes the NATO security umbrella and the money from US. When the old ways are threatened, you are screaming to return to the old ways. I am not seeing a Europe that is saying we will be independent. I am seeing an Europe that desperately wants a return to the predicable security umbrella.