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VW (group) should do something about their sick prices. In my case model y was simply cheaper by €15k compared to Škoda Enyaq and ID.4. It’s a lot of money. Plu

by lnsru 2y ago

VW (group) should do something about their sick prices. In my case model y was simply cheaper by €15k compared to Škoda Enyaq and ID.4. It’s a lot of money. Plus these drum brakes and low maximal speed in first generation cars. ID.7 is super cool car, but way to expensive. ID.Buzz as expensive as Tesla model X. VW should investigate why their cars are that expensive. Plus Tesla’s 4 year warranty with ranger coming to your parking lot. I remember all the drama with VW Autohaus and begging for the time to service a car there. Endless arrogance. Plus unbeatable electricity price at Tesla‘s supercharger network. Volkswagen and others have some homework to do. There is not really many cars that can match entry level model 3 at 41000€, just look how expensive the ID.3s are: https://www.volkswagen.de/de/konfigurator.html/__app/id-3.app?---=%7B%22configuration-step-navigation-service%22%3A%22%2F%3FconfigStep%3D%257B%2522context%2522%253A%252230350-35212-GOAL%2522%252C%2522selectedStep%2522%253A%2522trim%2522%257D%22%7D&campaign=10003580%7CID3_AO&language=DE&adchan=seah&publisher=GOGL&country=DE&adplt=pseac&cpid=&adver=p66180956328&format=NU&adpay=pd&adpl=adtext&adcr=vw+id.3&adgroup=Core_ID3_%5BAMT%5D&seatype=branded&gclsrc=aw.ds&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAADEbU6HGkPaamvxZMqEZkK78nuexk&gclid=CjwKCAiArKW-BhAzEiwAZhWsIHsiqxkYGE-T2cSkitf1yVH7nRleV5hN81xhBDxd8zyaJ7pg71zl3RoCYL8QAvD_BwE https://www.volkswagen.de/de/konfigurator.html/__app/id-3.ap...

FirmwareBurner 2y ago
>VW should investigate why their cars are that expensive. Investigate what exactly? This is a known accounting fact. Where do you think the money comes from that gets every German VW factory worker 30+ vacation days per year, paid sick days whenever they don't feel like coming to work, great pension plans, inflation beating Yearly raises, unions that keep unproductive people from getting fired and best severance packages in the industry in case they do. All those perks they have get priced into the final product. You can't manufacture cheap commodity goods while treating your workers so lavishly when competing with Asia and how they treat their manufacturing labor. This was economically feasible when European cars had no foreign competition in terms of quality and technology, but this is not the case anymore and something will have to give.
- lnsru 2y ago
  But elsewhere it works fine: https://carnewschina.com/2024/01/03/the-updated-saic-vw-id-3-and-id-4-hits-the-chinese-market/ https://carnewschina.com/2024/01/03/the-updated-saic-vw-id-3... The prices are nothing comparable to European ones. And Zwickau (where ID.3 is apparently built) is also rather low cost area. Anyway I am curious about ID.1 and what Chinese car will VW re-label for this. VW eUp was more expensive.
  - FirmwareBurner 2y ago
    >Zwickau (where ID.3 is apparently built) is also rather low cost area Lower cost than Bulgaria, Turkey or China? I doubt it. Also, the high costs for VW aren't just from factory workers, but also from overpaid managers making six figure just because they're old, not because they add much value, which is less of an issue at Chinese automakers that don't overpay managers to such an extent.

by lnsru 2y ago

FirmwareBurner 2y ago

>VW should investigate why their cars are that expensive. Investigate what exactly? This is a known accounting fact. Where do you think the money comes from that gets every German VW factory worker 30+ vacation days per year, paid sick days whenever they don't feel like coming to work, great pension plans, inflation beating Yearly raises, unions that keep unproductive people from getting fired and best severance packages in the industry in case they do. All those perks they have get priced into the final product. You can't manufacture cheap commodity goods while treating your workers so lavishly when competing with Asia and how they treat their manufacturing labor. This was economically feasible when European cars had no foreign competition in terms of quality and technology, but this is not the case anymore and something will have to give.

lnsru 2y ago
But elsewhere it works fine: https://carnewschina.com/2024/01/03/the-updated-saic-vw-id-3-and-id-4-hits-the-chinese-market/ https://carnewschina.com/2024/01/03/the-updated-saic-vw-id-3... The prices are nothing comparable to European ones. And Zwickau (where ID.3 is apparently built) is also rather low cost area. Anyway I am curious about ID.1 and what Chinese car will VW re-label for this. VW eUp was more expensive.
- FirmwareBurner 2y ago
  >Zwickau (where ID.3 is apparently built) is also rather low cost area Lower cost than Bulgaria, Turkey or China? I doubt it. Also, the high costs for VW aren't just from factory workers, but also from overpaid managers making six figure just because they're old, not because they add much value, which is less of an issue at Chinese automakers that don't overpay managers to such an extent.