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I agree with you, but this doesn't mean this data is useless. You could could count how many people are using their phones by speaker. "When Alice speaks 18%

by nzach 2y ago

I agree with you, but this doesn't mean this data is useless. You could could count how many people are using their phones by speaker. "When Alice speaks 18% of the members use their phones for more than 15 minutes, but when Bob speaks the rate is 27%." could be a proxy to understand how important the parliament thinks the subject/speaker is.

lolinder 2y ago
This project doesn't seem to collect data, it posts the photo from the stream to social media and tags the politician. You might be able to derive the data you're talking about from the social media posts and timestamps, but that is obviously not the primary purpose.
ToucanLoucan 2y ago
The notion that you must have your phone away and be giving all your attention to a speaker is so antiquated and worthless. I have issues with auditory processing and attention. If you deliver information to me verbally in a format where I cannot rewind/playback, have no subtitles or text to consume alongside it, and demand my full attention, I will have objectively worse reception of whatever information you're communicating. The way neurotypicals demand adherence to these, to be blunt, ceremonies of conveyance is tiresome and interferes with the goals they espouse of communication. In fact I would go so far as to say a lot of the time, the goal is not communication at all; it is a demonstration of one's power and authority over others. If your goal is actually communication, text is better in every way. Every reader can read at a speed of their choosing, re-read parts they missed, have a speech-to-text program read it to them if they like, stop in the middle and tend to something time sensitive, what have you. A live speech allows none of this. So yes, I probably use my phone while you're talking. I probably have my AirPods in too, because the settings where they remove background noise and just give me the person speaking are phenomenally useful. I might even be watching or having my phone transcribe what you're saying, too. And if you're going to try and chastise me for it, fine, that's your prerogative, but then I'm probably starting a job search for a place that will appreciate my skills and not demean me for not being able to perform "good worker vibes" to your arbitrary standards.
- kelvinjps10 2y ago
  Being able to focus in a speech it's not arbitrary at all.
  - LocalH 2y ago
    Preventing others from using tools that help them focus because you are in a position of power to determine what "focus" looks like is exactly the point the parent comment was making. "Being able to focus on a speech" looks different for differently-abled people. Just because it doesn't look like focus to you doesn't mean you or anyone else should get to dictate the tools I or anyone else use to enhance our focus control. Different people have different needs in order to focus fully on something. It reeks of entitlement to look at another person and decide how they get to manage their focus.
    - ToucanLoucan 2y ago
      I think you stated this a bit better than I did, and certainly more concisely. It's immensely frustrating and exhausting to have to constantly defend myself against accusations of not being attentive enough, not being responsive enough, not "looking like I work hard" enough. If you want someone who looks and runs about like a good little office bee, then I'm (quite evidently) not your girl. That said if you want your jobs handled on-time, to spec and beyond, and with care and consideration for the end users, that's me.
johannes1234321 2y ago
So you will find that a minority opposition person will have less attention than a leading person on the government side?

by nzach 2y ago

lolinder 2y ago

This project doesn't seem to collect data, it posts the photo from the stream to social media and tags the politician. You might be able to derive the data you're talking about from the social media posts and timestamps, but that is obviously not the primary purpose.

ToucanLoucan 2y ago

The notion that you must have your phone away and be giving all your attention to a speaker is so antiquated and worthless. I have issues with auditory processing and attention. If you deliver information to me verbally in a format where I cannot rewind/playback, have no subtitles or text to consume alongside it, and demand my full attention, I will have objectively worse reception of whatever information you're communicating. The way neurotypicals demand adherence to these, to be blunt, ceremonies of conveyance is tiresome and interferes with the goals they espouse of communication. In fact I would go so far as to say a lot of the time, the goal is not communication at all; it is a demonstration of one's power and authority over others. If your goal is actually communication, text is better in every way. Every reader can read at a speed of their choosing, re-read parts they missed, have a speech-to-text program read it to them if they like, stop in the middle and tend to something time sensitive, what have you. A live speech allows none of this. So yes, I probably use my phone while you're talking. I probably have my AirPods in too, because the settings where they remove background noise and just give me the person speaking are phenomenally useful. I might even be watching or having my phone transcribe what you're saying, too. And if you're going to try and chastise me for it, fine, that's your prerogative, but then I'm probably starting a job search for a place that will appreciate my skills and not demean me for not being able to perform "good worker vibes" to your arbitrary standards.

kelvinjps10 2y ago
Being able to focus in a speech it's not arbitrary at all.
- LocalH 2y ago
  Preventing others from using tools that help them focus because you are in a position of power to determine what "focus" looks like is exactly the point the parent comment was making. "Being able to focus on a speech" looks different for differently-abled people. Just because it doesn't look like focus to you doesn't mean you or anyone else should get to dictate the tools I or anyone else use to enhance our focus control. Different people have different needs in order to focus fully on something. It reeks of entitlement to look at another person and decide how they get to manage their focus.
  - ToucanLoucan 2y ago
    I think you stated this a bit better than I did, and certainly more concisely. It's immensely frustrating and exhausting to have to constantly defend myself against accusations of not being attentive enough, not being responsive enough, not "looking like I work hard" enough. If you want someone who looks and runs about like a good little office bee, then I'm (quite evidently) not your girl. That said if you want your jobs handled on-time, to spec and beyond, and with care and consideration for the end users, that's me.

johannes1234321 2y ago

So you will find that a minority opposition person will have less attention than a leading person on the government side?