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My dream is to be invited into a mildly popular server (more than 15 users), than doesn't have 50 channels, 8 separate roles and T&C to agree to. It hasn't happ

by sph 2y ago

My dream is to be invited into a mildly popular server (more than 15 users), than doesn't have 50 channels, 8 separate roles and T&C to agree to. It hasn't happened yet. An entire generation of bureaucrats and bean counters is learning the ropes on Discord.

networked 2y ago
This shows Discord is a genuine successor to Web 1.0 forums. :-) Unnecessary channels are unnecessary subforums. User roles are user ranks (https://www.phpbb.com/support/docs/en/3.1/kb/article/everything-you-need-to-know-about-ranks-v3x/ https://www.phpbb.com/support/docs/en/3.1/kb/article/everyth...), indicating both software permissions and social status. T&C—well, forum engines like phpBB, MyBB, and SMF come with a standard user agreement they show before registration. There is more concern with it now because the Internet is real life. As for training an entire generation of bureaucrats and bean-counters, I leave it to the reader to judge.
- pestaa 2y ago
  I like this take. There was something unique how each bulletin board was customized to the administrator's taste. And it was up to them to provide plenty onboarding to new users, so they're not overwhelmed by the hundreds of subcategories, and thousands of threads in each. We used to be part of no more than a handful of forum communities. Maybe that changed.
doctorhandshake 2y ago
I started and mod a server of about 6k users for a community around a niche software used by professionals, students, and hobbyists. We keep it really simple and focused primarily on people getting questions answered. Recently a small but vocal cadre of hobbyists have been demanding more Discord-y features oriented towards socializing with other users of the software, and our reticence to complicate the server and add features just because Discord offers them has been a point of contention. They seem to think we mods don’t understand Discord. We are having trouble getting them to understand that we are aware of what other servers are like and that we’re deliberately choosing not go that route.
- smittywerben 2y ago
  Are you a partnered server? Are they even still doing those? I've never been a mod. I'm just an adult who understands Discord's general operations.
  - doctorhandshake 2y ago
    No just a community server.
- ZeWaka 2y ago
  What features are you talking about? I admin a server of 9k. The new onboarding stuff, automod, opt-in roles?
  - celdon25 2y ago
    I’ll assume it was pronoun roles unless we hear back
    - doctorhandshake 2y ago
      Not sure why you would assume that. GP was on track - they wanted voice channels, many of them, before we had any demonstrated demand for it at all. They wanted additional, opt-in roles, so anyone could @ a cadre of self-appointed ‘question answerers’ if they, I guess, (and this still isn’t clear to me), felt as though their question was more important than the questions of those who didn’t elect to do so. They wanted auto-mod stuff that would maybe somehow automatically answer people’s questions (‘AI’), etc The software in question (TouchDesigner) is a complex, idiosyncratic, node-based programming environment with a tough learning curve and a GUI dependency that makes question-asking and -answering more onerous than non-graphical programming. As mods we’ve put a ton of effort into helping the torrent of new arrivals ask better (often less lazy or broad) questions and thus get better answers, more often. Many of the requests we get are well-intentioned but seem to think the reason questions go unanswered is because no one saw them, when it’s obvious to us that in many cases, they’re just extremely lazy questions. Unreal has a similar problem, in my experience, with the difficulty of asking a question with sufficient information making it common that those willing to help are still only inclined to go the distance with people who are willing to meet them halfway.
smittywerben 2y ago
I'd consider beancounter to be best case. At least a beancounter works for the company and gets paid. It's like they know they're Koolaid drinkers but every server is riced up with Discord's product pipeline like an aftermarket Honda.

by sph 2y ago

networked 2y ago

This shows Discord is a genuine successor to Web 1.0 forums. :-) Unnecessary channels are unnecessary subforums. User roles are user ranks (https://www.phpbb.com/support/docs/en/3.1/kb/article/everything-you-need-to-know-about-ranks-v3x/ https://www.phpbb.com/support/docs/en/3.1/kb/article/everyth...), indicating both software permissions and social status. T&C—well, forum engines like phpBB, MyBB, and SMF come with a standard user agreement they show before registration. There is more concern with it now because the Internet is real life. As for training an entire generation of bureaucrats and bean-counters, I leave it to the reader to judge.

pestaa 2y ago
I like this take. There was something unique how each bulletin board was customized to the administrator's taste. And it was up to them to provide plenty onboarding to new users, so they're not overwhelmed by the hundreds of subcategories, and thousands of threads in each. We used to be part of no more than a handful of forum communities. Maybe that changed.

doctorhandshake 2y ago

I started and mod a server of about 6k users for a community around a niche software used by professionals, students, and hobbyists. We keep it really simple and focused primarily on people getting questions answered. Recently a small but vocal cadre of hobbyists have been demanding more Discord-y features oriented towards socializing with other users of the software, and our reticence to complicate the server and add features just because Discord offers them has been a point of contention. They seem to think we mods don’t understand Discord. We are having trouble getting them to understand that we are aware of what other servers are like and that we’re deliberately choosing not go that route.

smittywerben 2y ago
Are you a partnered server? Are they even still doing those? I've never been a mod. I'm just an adult who understands Discord's general operations.
- doctorhandshake 2y ago
  No just a community server.
ZeWaka 2y ago
What features are you talking about? I admin a server of 9k. The new onboarding stuff, automod, opt-in roles?
- celdon25 2y ago
  I’ll assume it was pronoun roles unless we hear back
  - doctorhandshake 2y ago
    Not sure why you would assume that. GP was on track - they wanted voice channels, many of them, before we had any demonstrated demand for it at all. They wanted additional, opt-in roles, so anyone could @ a cadre of self-appointed ‘question answerers’ if they, I guess, (and this still isn’t clear to me), felt as though their question was more important than the questions of those who didn’t elect to do so. They wanted auto-mod stuff that would maybe somehow automatically answer people’s questions (‘AI’), etc The software in question (TouchDesigner) is a complex, idiosyncratic, node-based programming environment with a tough learning curve and a GUI dependency that makes question-asking and -answering more onerous than non-graphical programming. As mods we’ve put a ton of effort into helping the torrent of new arrivals ask better (often less lazy or broad) questions and thus get better answers, more often. Many of the requests we get are well-intentioned but seem to think the reason questions go unanswered is because no one saw them, when it’s obvious to us that in many cases, they’re just extremely lazy questions. Unreal has a similar problem, in my experience, with the difficulty of asking a question with sufficient information making it common that those willing to help are still only inclined to go the distance with people who are willing to meet them halfway.

smittywerben 2y ago

I'd consider beancounter to be best case. At least a beancounter works for the company and gets paid. It's like they know they're Koolaid drinkers but every server is riced up with Discord's product pipeline like an aftermarket Honda.