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> If your government suddenly asked for your electronic payslips from a job 10 or 20 years ago, could you provide them? "electronic" isn't necessary for this q
by smallerfish 2y ago
> If your government suddenly asked for your electronic payslips from a job 10 or 20 years ago, could you provide them?
"electronic" isn't necessary for this question. Most people do not keep paper copies of their payslips going back 10 or 20 years either.
- the__alchemist 2y agoThey're next to my receipt filing-cabinet.
- xattt 2y agoSome form of Paperless-NGX setup is also an option :)
- afandian 2y agoIf payslips are paper, people at least have a fighting chance of retaining them. I have payslips from when I was a teenager. Not because I kept them, because I never threw them away. Electronic documents, however, need deliberate attention to keep.
- smallerfish 2y agoI purge paper after a year or two at most, and keep very limited important stuff digitally (I have my tax returns going back 5-10 years.) I really don't think many people keep substantial amounts of paper records. The government policy cited upthread was clearly a scandal; most UK citizens would be unable to satisfy the same standard of proof, if that was in fact the test.
- tokioyoyo 2y agoI have more electronic documents saved up from 15 years ago than paper ones. It works both ways though.
- yencabulator 2y agoLots of online things are not providing PDFs to download, and are making the web page layout miserable for "print to file" also -- collapsible sections that refuse to be all open, etc.
- tokioyoyo 2y agoI know it’s gonna sound stupid, but personally, I’ve literally never had problems. In extreme scenarios, I’ve gone as far as taking screenshots and saving it to my Dropbox and calling it a day. Having your screenshot folder to point to cloud storage then also having autobackups to somewhere else is a better storage than having a gigantic pile of papers.
- yencabulator 2y agoI don't disagree but I think the companies that still think in discrete report-style paper analogues are easier to archive, and that's slowly going away.
- amiga386 2y agoIf my employer emailed me my payslip, I'd have a perfect record, as I have every email sent/recieved since the 1990s, with archives and backups too. I could passively collect them, like I passively received paper payslips and stored them, unopened, in a folder on a shelf. But they don't. At best, they send me an email notifying me that if only I went to a website they run (when it's operational) and passed all sorts of second factor bullshit, and knew where to navigate to, I could download a copy. Apparently it's not secure if they just email it to me, but it was secure enough to send the same data through the hands of hundreds of postal workers. People only have so much bandwidth, and requiring them to actively do a bunch of menial tasks that could be automated, but aren't, in the name of "security" is building up problems for the future.
- afandian 2y agoYou forgot the part where the platform rebranded and got a new domain name. And you have to log in with your company email address. And even if you switched it to your personal email before you left, and they kept the data, was the password rotated?
- amiga386 2y agoI'm also leaving out the part where they switched to a different ERP system that cost them millions, and to save some money, didn't import any data from the old system. They put out one email saying download all the old payslips because we're switching off the old system in a week, and if I miss that, my entire history of payslips is GONE FOREVER. This is why they should send me a copy. It has about the same level of security as when they sent paper copies in the post.