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To be honest, I start to see some advantages to Trump, and that's while seeing him as a horrible human. Western countries, including US and EU, are on a slow p
by hyperman1 2y ago
To be honest, I start to see some advantages to Trump, and that's while seeing him as a horrible human.
Western countries, including US and EU, are on a slow path of decline. The lessons of WW2 about the value of cooperation are forgotten. Trump creates a lot of mini crisisses, but these are as easily resolved as they were made by the next president. As a result, a lot of captains asleep at the wheel are getting a rude wake up. Meanwhile, there is a sanity to go back to.
The EU finally gets serious about defence. Countries start doing thing without asking US permission first.
In the US, the left is still in denial, but they keep getting whacked. They are also under shock and awe from the ongoing Trump legal blitzkrieg. But that won't stay. What's happening now will start a counter reaction, it's just too bizarre and extreme. Once they get themselves organized and fighting, they'll be a huge counterforce. Congress might start working again, and maybe some new amendments will even happen.
I don't think the USA will return to absolute top dog status again, rather I think we end up with a multipolar world. But hardship will teach some much needed lessons.
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- ozmodiar 2y agoI largely agree with this so far, but my worry is that it's only been two months (though it may seem like an eternity). I'm worried he has much worse in store that won't be so easily circumvented, and we may already be seeing some of it with his buddying up to Russia against Europe. Between the military and corporate control the US has over other countries, there's much worse they could start doing. From my understanding of the current state of constitutional interpretation, the president has essentially unchecked power if they're willing to ignore any sort of decorum (which he certainly is), and he's already started huge purges of anyone not aligned in the government, intelligence and military. What do things start looking like when these purges are complete?
- rchaud 2y ago> But hardship will teach some much needed lessons. To whom is this lesson being taught? The general public or the leadership that is increasingly untethered from the general public's oversight? Seems to me that the lessons of the war on Iraq was to subsidize regional dictatorships even further to fend off Iran and Syria. The Great Recession of 2008 caused suffering too. The lesson for that appeared to be to cut interest rates to 0% for corporations for 14 years while retail consumers paid 'market rates'. And now they're about to pay higher prices due to leadership committed to speedrunning the 1920s.
- gehwartzen 2y agoI honestly think one of the best things we could do for the planet’s climate long term is curbing consumer consumption and we were in no way heading in that direction before. Perhaps now we will be forced to. Less trans Atlantic/Pacific shipping would cut a ton of emissions. It’s unfortunate but a global depression might be a good thing in that regard. And yes, I too strongly dislike Trump as a human being
- ThrowawayR2 2y agoGlobal depression = global public unrest, global populism, and a global search for scapegoats. You do not want to around for what happens after that.