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> I know this could be said of any country at any time, but please don't conflate the current administration with the whole American people. [...] and I know I'

by cesarb 2y ago

> I know this could be said of any country at any time, but please don't conflate the current administration with the whole American people. [...] and I know I'm not alone in being perplexed by how he won the election. The current administration didn't grow in a vacuum. It might not be the whole of the USA people, but a large enough fraction of the USA people supported the current administration, otherwise there would be no chance of it getting elected, even with all the brokenness of the USA electoral system. And the current administration still has a large enough support from the USA people, otherwise they could do nothing: the government is not some mechanical device which blindly follows the wishes of whoever is in command, it operates through people, and if all the people rejected the current administration, its orders would have no effect.

ramses0 2y ago
I live in Texas, I didn't vote for Trump. It's 20hrs by car to Washington DC. Trump is firing people at random, Musk is plugging his USB drive into all the databases, what can I practically do to "reject the current administration"? Keeping in mind that the majority of what he's doing is a political "Gish Gallop" (https://effectiviology.com/gish-gallop/ https://effectiviology.com/gish-gallop/ ), as in "Gulf of America" to hide the meat of selling the FBI and Department of Justice buildings (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-administration-took-down-its-list-of-hundreds-of-federal-buildings-targeted-for-potential-sale https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-administration-t...), installing the newscaster of a propaganda network (https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/22/media/fox-news-reliable-sources/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/22/media/fox-news-reliable-sourc...) as the Secretary of Defense, dismantling USAID, and otherwise doing everything in his immediate power to break the bones of the US government? Anything of consequence (eg: Civil War 2.0) is "even better" for Russia than what's going on now. It's a horrifically complicated judo flip of nation-state proportions. Please get your act together, EU!
bloomingeek 2y ago
A high percentage of people here in the states were so disgusted with the GOP, they foolishly didn't vote. Now, the only thing that can bring any relief, is the US Constitution. If followed, it will right the ship, hopefully at the mid-terms.
AnnaEss 2y ago
But all the politicians in charge of the current administration are (and have been chosen to) do exactly that - blindly follow the wishes of the person in command. The voters may (or may not have) voted in the current administration either with or without electoral fraud and gerrymandering on Musk's part, we'll never know, but we do know the same political group were not against trying to take the Capitol forcibly last time, so not by democratic means. It was and is worth too much to Russia and China to not have their man in charge of their adversary (the US), doing their bidding. So they did was necessary to make that happen. Including Musk's takeover of X. His collecting of voter information. The foreign interference and disinformation campaigns. And so on. They play dirty these people, they do not represent democracy, they represent the taking down of the US and everything they used to represent. In a democracy we give the elected politicians a mandate. It means the administration only operates through the people via their vote and that only takes place typically every four/ five years. Until the next vote (if there is one, or at least there may be a rigged one), then no, it does not operate through the people, not on a day to day level of functioning. And to talk of the people rejecting the current administration before the next election is not practical. They have little power to do so. Unless you are referring to an armed insurrection against the government, a revolution. Which of course is not part of the democratic system, that is another means of the people responding all together. There have been revolutions to overturn dictatorships, yes.

by cesarb 2y ago

ramses0 2y ago

I live in Texas, I didn't vote for Trump. It's 20hrs by car to Washington DC. Trump is firing people at random, Musk is plugging his USB drive into all the databases, what can I practically do to "reject the current administration"? Keeping in mind that the majority of what he's doing is a political "Gish Gallop" (https://effectiviology.com/gish-gallop/ https://effectiviology.com/gish-gallop/ ), as in "Gulf of America" to hide the meat of selling the FBI and Department of Justice buildings (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-administration-took-down-its-list-of-hundreds-of-federal-buildings-targeted-for-potential-sale https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-administration-t...), installing the newscaster of a propaganda network (https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/22/media/fox-news-reliable-sources/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2023/08/22/media/fox-news-reliable-sourc...) as the Secretary of Defense, dismantling USAID, and otherwise doing everything in his immediate power to break the bones of the US government? Anything of consequence (eg: Civil War 2.0) is "even better" for Russia than what's going on now. It's a horrifically complicated judo flip of nation-state proportions. Please get your act together, EU!

bloomingeek 2y ago

A high percentage of people here in the states were so disgusted with the GOP, they foolishly didn't vote. Now, the only thing that can bring any relief, is the US Constitution. If followed, it will right the ship, hopefully at the mid-terms.

AnnaEss 2y ago

But all the politicians in charge of the current administration are (and have been chosen to) do exactly that - blindly follow the wishes of the person in command. The voters may (or may not have) voted in the current administration either with or without electoral fraud and gerrymandering on Musk's part, we'll never know, but we do know the same political group were not against trying to take the Capitol forcibly last time, so not by democratic means. It was and is worth too much to Russia and China to not have their man in charge of their adversary (the US), doing their bidding. So they did was necessary to make that happen. Including Musk's takeover of X. His collecting of voter information. The foreign interference and disinformation campaigns. And so on. They play dirty these people, they do not represent democracy, they represent the taking down of the US and everything they used to represent. In a democracy we give the elected politicians a mandate. It means the administration only operates through the people via their vote and that only takes place typically every four/ five years. Until the next vote (if there is one, or at least there may be a rigged one), then no, it does not operate through the people, not on a day to day level of functioning. And to talk of the people rejecting the current administration before the next election is not practical. They have little power to do so. Unless you are referring to an armed insurrection against the government, a revolution. Which of course is not part of the democratic system, that is another means of the people responding all together. There have been revolutions to overturn dictatorships, yes.