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don't european values include Monarchy?

meijer 2y ago
No, that has now become a value of American Republicans.
n4r9 2y ago
The opposite. European values are closely tied to enlightenment and the republicanist ideas that came out of the French revolution.
xxs 2y ago
I guess that's joke - indeed, in the EU - Northern counties + flat lands + Spain[x] are monarchies where the monarchs have all but representation powers. You can add Monaco (which is not an independent State), if you really wish. Then there is France and the revolution in 1789 which (outside the US) is considered a big thing. [x]: Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands; Norway's also a monarchy but not an EU member state.
rsynnott 2y ago
There are no 'conventional'/old-fashioned monarchies in Europe (except, arguably, for Liechtenstein). Some European countries have monarchs, who are powerless figureheads; executive power rests with the government (even in most European republics, executive power rests with the government, not the president).
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- Aloisius 2y ago
  Not really powerless. They have powers, but people see them as ceremonial. They're not of course ceremonial, rather it's traditional that they don't fire the loaded gun they're given and everyone pretends like they're not only incapable of it, but doing so would end the monarchy. The truth is, a monarch with significant ambition could, if the right situation arises or is engineered, convince the populace that their exercise of power is necessary to save the country.
  - xxs 2y ago
    If that's any help the king of Bulgaria did win the elections (the parliament) and became a prime minister (2001)... yet nothing much went of it.
  - rsynnott 2y ago
    > They're not of course ceremonial, rather it's traditional that they don't fire the loaded gun they're given and everyone pretends like they're not only incapable of it, but doing so would end the monarchy. I mean, traditionally, doing so is bad for his majesty's health; see Charles II in particular, but also to a large extent Edward VIII (the divorcee thing was a handy excuse, but a big part of the reason that the government was so keen to fire him was that he was seen as high-risk for misbehaviour).
zo1 2y ago
As a general rule, I find that the "left" is always guilty of every single thing they accuse the right of doing. They just don't phrase it that way and think that they can control the narrative forever. The narrative, unfortunately, is crumbling and people are waking up. The only way they can stop it is by silencing and downright banning social-media, because that's currently the main vehicle for un-approved opinions spreading. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_7_of_the_Treaty_on_European_Union#Use_against_Hungary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_7_of_the_Treaty_on_Eur...
tomashm 2y ago
The Norwegian King's speech on love, religion and acceptance (English subtitles) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQtLxYde-rw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQtLxYde-rw Quote: "Norwegians are girls who love girls, boys who love boys, and girls and boys who love each other. Norwegians believe in God, Allah, the Universe, and Nothing."

No, that has now become a value of American Republicans.

n4r9 2y ago

The opposite. European values are closely tied to enlightenment and the republicanist ideas that came out of the French revolution.

xxs 2y ago

I guess that's joke - indeed, in the EU - Northern counties + flat lands + Spain[x] are monarchies where the monarchs have all but representation powers. You can add Monaco (which is not an independent State), if you really wish. Then there is France and the revolution in 1789 which (outside the US) is considered a big thing. [x]: Sweden, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands; Norway's also a monarchy but not an EU member state.

rsynnott 2y ago

There are no 'conventional'/old-fashioned monarchies in Europe (except, arguably, for Liechtenstein). Some European countries have monarchs, who are powerless figureheads; executive power rests with the government (even in most European republics, executive power rests with the government, not the president).

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Aloisius 2y ago
Not really powerless. They have powers, but people see them as ceremonial. They're not of course ceremonial, rather it's traditional that they don't fire the loaded gun they're given and everyone pretends like they're not only incapable of it, but doing so would end the monarchy. The truth is, a monarch with significant ambition could, if the right situation arises or is engineered, convince the populace that their exercise of power is necessary to save the country.
- xxs 2y ago
  If that's any help the king of Bulgaria did win the elections (the parliament) and became a prime minister (2001)... yet nothing much went of it.
- rsynnott 2y ago
  > They're not of course ceremonial, rather it's traditional that they don't fire the loaded gun they're given and everyone pretends like they're not only incapable of it, but doing so would end the monarchy. I mean, traditionally, doing so is bad for his majesty's health; see Charles II in particular, but also to a large extent Edward VIII (the divorcee thing was a handy excuse, but a big part of the reason that the government was so keen to fire him was that he was seen as high-risk for misbehaviour).

zo1 2y ago

As a general rule, I find that the "left" is always guilty of every single thing they accuse the right of doing. They just don't phrase it that way and think that they can control the narrative forever. The narrative, unfortunately, is crumbling and people are waking up. The only way they can stop it is by silencing and downright banning social-media, because that's currently the main vehicle for un-approved opinions spreading. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_7_of_the_Treaty_on_European_Union#Use_against_Hungary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_7_of_the_Treaty_on_Eur...

tomashm 2y ago

The Norwegian King's speech on love, religion and acceptance (English subtitles) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQtLxYde-rw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQtLxYde-rw Quote: "Norwegians are girls who love girls, boys who love boys, and girls and boys who love each other. Norwegians believe in God, Allah, the Universe, and Nothing."