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"War against Ukraine"? That's the first time I've heard that phrased that way from a non-Russian source. What have you been reading? Aren't you whitewashing Rus
by dmos62 2y ago
"War against Ukraine"? That's the first time I've heard that phrased that way from a non-Russian source. What have you been reading? Aren't you whitewashing Russia's invasion of Ukraine?
And, to call Azov an extremist group, or to liken them to people who literally tried to overthrow the US government, or to ISIS, that is plain disturbed.
- rightbyte 2y ago> to call Azov an extremist group, [...], that is plain disturbed. Really? "Extremist brigade" then? Their isnignia is the one of 2.nd SS division Deutschland, cleverly mirrored. They were on the US sanction list.
- dmos62 2y agoTheir insignia has the germanic wolf that is clearly meant to resonate with WW2 german, Nazi military symbolism. In its early days they had leaders that were overt Neonazis. No one is denying that, and I have no love for the far-right. But, what extreme acts of injustice have they committed? Have they been less than adamant defenders of their home, from an invasion with genocidal, maximalist goals, of all things? The only extreme things they've done is extreme sacrifice, as far as I can tell. I might be wrong, there might be things I've not heard of. If that's the case, inform me. What I do know is that they're a notoriously effective brigade in the Ukrainian military and that any argument about their focus not being on the defence of Ukraine's statehood would be very hard to make. I also know that their checkered past has been a goto subject for Russian propaganda campaigns, aiming to divide the West. I'm not more of a supporter of this brigade, than anyone else fighting for Ukraine. I am from the Baltics. For us, Russia is an existential and immediate threat. When the new US administration reneged on support for Ukraine and, by extension, us, literally every woman that's close to me said she's worried about war. You probably don't know what that's like. Our anxiety for the future is palpable. That motivates me to speak up.
- kcatskcolbdi 2y agoMaybe I'm the crazy one, but I personally consider any group that worships nazis to be an extremist group. If they were in the US and hadn't done any kind of "extremist act" I would feel the same way.
- dmos62 2y agoFrom what I've heard in interviews with fighters from other units (Lindybeige ones come to mind), which is hearsay I grant you, they're not Nazis, much less worshippers of Nazis. A few bad apples, or some such.
- secretsatan 2y agoUkrainian Nazi groups apparently always had problems making connections with other Nazi groups because they were all pro-russia
- sampo 2y ago> That's the first time I've heard that phrased that way from a non-Russian source. We don't know if this was from a non-Russian source.
- cryptonector 2y agoI've not even heard Russian sources refer to it as the "war against Ukraine"! Typically it's the "special military operation" or something to the effect of a war against a dictator or Western interests or something. Never "war against Ukraine". One does not fight a war against a country whose people one believes want to one to annex them.