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Reminder that discord is an app for kids. Is your open source code and volunteer run project going to keep kids safe? Is it an advantage that the comms protocol

Reminder that discord is an app for kids. Is your open source code and volunteer run project going to keep kids safe? Is it an advantage that the comms protocols are open and everyone can build bots? Or a disadvantage for this usecase? Also, how is it an alternative for Discord if it's in a whole different jurisdiction?

Mashimo 2y ago
> Reminder that discord is an app for kids. Why is that?
- esafak 2y ago
  Have you seen the UI? Nothing fit for adults, who value their attention and time.
  - Mashimo 2y ago
    Sorry, I don't see it. I can quickly jump around channels and server with shortcuts, the UI looks similar to other chat apps. Auto-Embed can be disabled, if that steals your attention. Or what do you mean?
    - TulliusCicero 2y ago
      They just don't like the design and are choosing a condescending way of framing it.
- TZubiri 2y ago
  Because it's a video game accesory. They market to kids, and have kid safety features.
  - Mashimo 2y ago
    I don't use discord in combination with games at all. But you can use it that way. That does not mean it's only for kids.
    - TZubiri 2y ago
      I mean the logo is a game controller. If your company uses discord as a tool to communicate, it gives the message that it's like a game to you, that it is not serious, that you are relaxed,etc.. Certainly not the right register for serious stuff like an IT company, tax company, weapons, etc... And it's not just semantics, the app was built for gaming, it has features and design choices built for that, one of them being kid safety. Not a corporate tool like slack. If you are into that great, but it's what it is.
      - Mashimo 2y ago
        Yeah, it was build of gamers. I would also not use it for communication in a tax company. That does not mean it's for kids only.
Lanolderen 2y ago
Not sure about that one. There's a ton of minor edating/esex/grooming going on. You have massive community servers that essentially work like gaiaonline back in the day and tons of servers of 18+ communities. Horny, curious kids will always find a way so I can't blame Discord for not having a magic wand but I would be monitoring its usage if I were a parent. Only 1 of the servers I'm in is what I'd consider kid safe and it's a company's community server.
- TZubiri 2y ago
  Yeah I get that it would have problems. But I'm saying that being a closed source product with staff is what allows it to fight against that. Foss on the other hand just clones an app offers a download and calls it a day, "self host", sometimes they encrypt stuff so that not even devs or admins can see the content, they would think of this as respecting privacy, but then when they get a subpoena for a sex offender case, they can't turn up anything.
verdverm 2y ago
This is an outdated perspective. A lot of open source projects are picking Discord now that Slack has become hostile to small projects. The vast majority of the Discord groups I am in have nothing to do with gaming
- TZubiri 2y ago
  I mean the logo is a game controller. If your company uses discord as a tool to communicate, it gives the message that it's like a game to you, that it is not serious, that you are relaxed,etc.. Certainly not the right register for serious stuff like an IT company, tax company, weapons, etc... And it's not just semantics, the app was built for gaming, it has features and design choices built for that, one of them being kid safety, another being it shows what game you are playing. Not a corporate tool like slack. If you are into that great, but it's what it is.
  - verdverm 2y ago
    Slack is being enshittified after the acquisition. I use it less today than beforehand. They have shown they no longer care about small projects and groups, so those projects have moved largely to Discord. There are so many tech companies with Discord. Are you saying companies like Cloudflare are not serious companies. Know what they know that you don't? You have to meet your users where they are. The open source projects I care about are there. It's cool if you want to maintain your outdated perspective though
    - TZubiri 2y ago
      Crazy that CF has a discord. Recent news have shown that they are publishing a product to red team website automation: https://developers.cloudflare.com/browser-rendering/ https://developers.cloudflare.com/browser-rendering/. So they are now on both sides of the red blue counter. Looking at their product offering it seems they have branched out from their original product that earned them their reputation (IP hiding DNS Servers and proxies), now it looks like they are branching in all directions, including random AI products and generic cloud offerings. Definitely not getting a "we are a serious company" vibe. More like a "try to appeal and sell everything to everyone banking on our reputation because reputation doesn't pay the bills" vibe. So yeah that's my take.

Mashimo 2y ago

> Reminder that discord is an app for kids. Why is that?

esafak 2y ago
Have you seen the UI? Nothing fit for adults, who value their attention and time.
- Mashimo 2y ago
  Sorry, I don't see it. I can quickly jump around channels and server with shortcuts, the UI looks similar to other chat apps. Auto-Embed can be disabled, if that steals your attention. Or what do you mean?
  - TulliusCicero 2y ago
    They just don't like the design and are choosing a condescending way of framing it.
TZubiri 2y ago
Because it's a video game accesory. They market to kids, and have kid safety features.
- Mashimo 2y ago
  I don't use discord in combination with games at all. But you can use it that way. That does not mean it's only for kids.
  - TZubiri 2y ago
    I mean the logo is a game controller. If your company uses discord as a tool to communicate, it gives the message that it's like a game to you, that it is not serious, that you are relaxed,etc.. Certainly not the right register for serious stuff like an IT company, tax company, weapons, etc... And it's not just semantics, the app was built for gaming, it has features and design choices built for that, one of them being kid safety. Not a corporate tool like slack. If you are into that great, but it's what it is.
    - Mashimo 2y ago
      Yeah, it was build of gamers. I would also not use it for communication in a tax company. That does not mean it's for kids only.

Lanolderen 2y ago

Not sure about that one. There's a ton of minor edating/esex/grooming going on. You have massive community servers that essentially work like gaiaonline back in the day and tons of servers of 18+ communities. Horny, curious kids will always find a way so I can't blame Discord for not having a magic wand but I would be monitoring its usage if I were a parent. Only 1 of the servers I'm in is what I'd consider kid safe and it's a company's community server.

TZubiri 2y ago
Yeah I get that it would have problems. But I'm saying that being a closed source product with staff is what allows it to fight against that. Foss on the other hand just clones an app offers a download and calls it a day, "self host", sometimes they encrypt stuff so that not even devs or admins can see the content, they would think of this as respecting privacy, but then when they get a subpoena for a sex offender case, they can't turn up anything.

verdverm 2y ago

This is an outdated perspective. A lot of open source projects are picking Discord now that Slack has become hostile to small projects. The vast majority of the Discord groups I am in have nothing to do with gaming

TZubiri 2y ago
I mean the logo is a game controller. If your company uses discord as a tool to communicate, it gives the message that it's like a game to you, that it is not serious, that you are relaxed,etc.. Certainly not the right register for serious stuff like an IT company, tax company, weapons, etc... And it's not just semantics, the app was built for gaming, it has features and design choices built for that, one of them being kid safety, another being it shows what game you are playing. Not a corporate tool like slack. If you are into that great, but it's what it is.
- verdverm 2y ago
  Slack is being enshittified after the acquisition. I use it less today than beforehand. They have shown they no longer care about small projects and groups, so those projects have moved largely to Discord. There are so many tech companies with Discord. Are you saying companies like Cloudflare are not serious companies. Know what they know that you don't? You have to meet your users where they are. The open source projects I care about are there. It's cool if you want to maintain your outdated perspective though
  - TZubiri 2y ago
    Crazy that CF has a discord. Recent news have shown that they are publishing a product to red team website automation: https://developers.cloudflare.com/browser-rendering/ https://developers.cloudflare.com/browser-rendering/. So they are now on both sides of the red blue counter. Looking at their product offering it seems they have branched out from their original product that earned them their reputation (IP hiding DNS Servers and proxies), now it looks like they are branching in all directions, including random AI products and generic cloud offerings. Definitely not getting a "we are a serious company" vibe. More like a "try to appeal and sell everything to everyone banking on our reputation because reputation doesn't pay the bills" vibe. So yeah that's my take.