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In this case I mean the people adversely affected by the above policies can still find themselves voting for them. The voterID one for example, people who can

In this case I mean the people adversely affected by the above policies can still find themselves voting for them. The voterID one for example, people who can vote one election that have otherwise out of date ID will find themselves unable to vote in the next election. VoterID can be especially tricky in the US due to not having a Nation ID or a federally run election see https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_United_States https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_suppression_in_the_Uni... for a good summary. I would imagine a pretty "rational" perspective would be to be in favor of policies that allow you to vote again in the future (just in general).

fastball 2y ago
Right, I still don't think that is true. The people voting for Voter ID are not struggling to get a new ID when their old one expires. Yes, there is no "federal ID" (besides passports and passport cards), but if you've had an ID before, it is not difficult to get a new one in any US state.
- 3vidence 2y ago
  I think we have reached a terminus. But I do want to say I appreciate your respectful and straightforward messaging. What I've described above isn't a theoretical problem, it is an actual occurring issue that has happened time after time. I don't want to say it's "privileged" but I think you are personally down playing the difficulty these issues raised on specific groups. If you read the Wikipedia article you will see that minority groups are significantly less likely to have up to date state IDs. And respectfully anyone without a permanent address can also have a very hard time getting ID. That point I'm making is that people in these groups will still vote for policies that directly negatively impact their ability to participate in democracy. Not a strawman argument, based on actual voter data. It could be a part of the larger problem that a decreasing percentage of Americans are even voting at all.
  - fastball 2y ago
    That is the point that you're making, but you kinda need to back it up. I have seen little evidence that people voting for voter ID laws struggle to get IDs, just evidence that some people struggle.

fastball 2y ago

Right, I still don't think that is true. The people voting for Voter ID are not struggling to get a new ID when their old one expires. Yes, there is no "federal ID" (besides passports and passport cards), but if you've had an ID before, it is not difficult to get a new one in any US state.

3vidence 2y ago
I think we have reached a terminus. But I do want to say I appreciate your respectful and straightforward messaging. What I've described above isn't a theoretical problem, it is an actual occurring issue that has happened time after time. I don't want to say it's "privileged" but I think you are personally down playing the difficulty these issues raised on specific groups. If you read the Wikipedia article you will see that minority groups are significantly less likely to have up to date state IDs. And respectfully anyone without a permanent address can also have a very hard time getting ID. That point I'm making is that people in these groups will still vote for policies that directly negatively impact their ability to participate in democracy. Not a strawman argument, based on actual voter data. It could be a part of the larger problem that a decreasing percentage of Americans are even voting at all.
- fastball 2y ago
  That is the point that you're making, but you kinda need to back it up. I have seen little evidence that people voting for voter ID laws struggle to get IDs, just evidence that some people struggle.