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From going public? What do you have against that?
by xrisk 2y ago
From going public? What do you have against that?
- cjonas 2y agoGuaranteed eventual enshitification?
- nomilk 2y agoPrivately owned: probable eventual enshitification. Publicly owned: guaranteed eventual enshitification.
- rf15 2y agoShareholders optimize for money, users don't like themselves and the things they use to be optimized for money. They rather have good service. Since the perfect product earns you max money with min features, these two priorities are opposed.
- xrisk 2y agoI get what you're saying, but I’m not sure it’s fully true. If it were true, then all public companies would be bad (using bad in a loose sense here). I think Apple, for example, has a good balance between optimizing money and product.
- rf15 2y agoWell, maybe only in the sense that you still seem to be willing to buy. But the amount of people willing to pay the apple tax seems to be shrinking lately, considering recent reports of low sw quality and let's also throw in the 4-digit monitor stand stunt.
- thefz 2y agoThe quality of Apple's own software is terrible nowadays, they are a prime example of this erosion of end user value.
- ThrowawayTestr 2y ago>then all public companies would be bad That would be correct
- EGreg 2y agoShareholders are the prime driver behind enshittification of platforms. Because they hold earnings calls every quarter and make the team extract more and more rents from their ecosystem, to make number go up. But hey, the shareholder game already started when VCs bought in. I support every company developing a way for utility tokenholders to buy out shareholders. That way we fairly buy out the parasitic shareholder class so we eliminate the main incentives for enshittification!
- jachee 2y agoNo service has ever, ever, ever actually improved after its company went public.
- dragonwriter 2y agoGoogle search continued improving for a while after a Google went public.
- panja 2y agoAnd yet here we are...
- pavel_lishin 2y agoAnd then what happened?
- Velorivox 2y agoSince you put three evers - Amazon went public on May 15, 1997. If you can say it hasn’t improved since 1997, with a straight face, I’d be convinced you’re a few bats shy of a belfry.
- jachee 2y agoAmazon wasn’t a service. It was a retailer. And I can’t 100.0% guarantee that I won’t get a counterfeit if I order today, so I don’t consider that an improvement, overall.
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y agoShipping got way faster though
- pavel_lishin 2y agoIf we're using the metric "garbage I was tricked into purchasing arrives faster", then yes, Amazon is a tremendous success story.
- Mrdarknezz 2y agoIt will turn discord into shit
- Azure88 2y agoOnce shareholders are involved it's no longer enough for the company to make enough profit to sustain itself, it now needs to make more profit each year. There might be a period of growth in the beginning when investment leads to development of new features and refining the platform, and more users join. But eventually it hits a point of maximum market saturation. The product is as feature rich as it can be, the user numbers have reached their limit. It's at that point that enshittification begins. More ads, the minimum amount of money spent to maintain the system, locking features behind premium subscriptions, prices go up. Just look at youtube, netflix etc. At this point youtube in particular has become unusable, and the content is nothing like the stuff you used to watch on there, it's all long video essays full of sponsors as that's what the company promotes and encourages, but not what people really want to see.
- thefz 2y agoIt is the first step towards enshittification. Shareholders expect constant growth which will lead to reality-disconnected PMs forcing dumb feature after dumb feature down the users throat until the very codebase of discord will rot and bloat.