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>https://youtu.be/zG3n2IeaTPA https://youtu.be/zG3n2IeaTPA >note: not clicking that because you disagree with me is really doing yourself a disservice. I won'

>https://youtu.be/zG3n2IeaTPA https://youtu.be/zG3n2IeaTPA >note: not clicking that because you disagree with me is really doing yourself a disservice. I won't click the link because I'm here for discussion with the users of this site, not some random video you thought was interesting/useful. Why do you find it interesting/useful? What arguments are made? How do those arguments comport with your beliefs? Let's have a discussion. So tell me what you think, don't link to some rando on youtube.

bee_rider 2y ago
Also it is a video. Asking literate people to go watch a video is disrespectful of their time.
- genewitch 2y ago
  It is a video of a guest on the view saying the words that i typed. It was "citing a source."
  - bee_rider 2y ago
    The View is just a chit-chat show anyway, so a source that proves that somebody said something on it doesn’t prove anything compelling. Anyway, my computer can’t play YouTube (ad blocking issues). The underlying thing that is annoying people, I think, is that this is (as far as I can tell based on what you’ve written) a factual mathematical issue. That sort of thing is easily conveyed via text and equations. Why would anybody want to watch a video of somebody explaining math?
    - genewitch 2y ago
      > The View is just a chit-chat show anyway, so a source that proves that somebody said something on it doesn’t prove anything compelling. This is a fallacy. I repeated numbers, that person was also repeating numbers, however, they're on a national news program and no one has given any reason that the numbers stated were wrong. It does not matter who says something, you have to weigh it on the merits of the statements. It isn't a "factual mathematical issue" it's a sociological issue, and it's bearing out in this comment thread - burying one's head in the sand because "Los Angeles is bigger and has more people" or "land doesn't vote" or "so what, it wasn't a majority" is missing the forest for the trees. Something about the platform did not work for our neighbors. A platform that worked in 2008, 2012, (2016 if you reckon the pundits are correct), and 2020 - it ceased working in 2024; and merely "doing the same thing" going forward won't work. I think the unspoken part is this: "If the left just pushes on as it has been, the midterms and 2028 aren't going to be '1.5%' margins" People often assume i am part of the opposition party.
genewitch 2y ago
lol TIL "The View" is "some rando on youtube" And to answer your question, the video is a guest on the view who i don't know, saying the exact numbers i quoted. I was quoting the person on the view, which aired yesterday or something. what's interesting, is instead of discussing what i said prior to the link, you chose to instead try and make me feel bad for linking a video. Keep it classy, HN.
- leourbina 2y ago
  Anyone can say anything on YouTube. I think you’re confusing confirmation bias with “citing your sources”.
  - genewitch 2y ago
    you didn't watch it either, huh? Nice. also what bias? I didn't make the stats up. Statements of fact cannot be insolent. If you disagree with the facts, then let's talk about that, and look for more data. However, what has happened in this thread is thinking i have an agenda, other than i think people need to hear what they were talking about - in that clip The mentality that "it was real close to 50-50 and trump didn't get a majority of the vote and therefore we can keep on doing what we're doing" is what the video clip was talking to. It didn't work, and the tactics need to change if anyone wants to see change. I don't care that people want to argue with me personally. But it's not doing themselves any favors, as it pertains to getting people elected they want to see in office.
- nobody9999 2y ago
  >what's interesting, is instead of discussing what i said prior to the link, you chose to instead try and make me feel bad for linking a video. Others had already rebutted your assertion at least as well as I could, so I didn't feel the need to repeat what had already been offered. However, given your initial rationale: >>note: not clicking that because you disagree with me is really doing yourself a disservice. was a poorly constructed straw man. Which I noted. It wasn't that I was rejecting you, I was clarifying that I (and likely many others) come to HN to discuss matters of interest to us. If I wanted to watch videos, I'd go to youtube and the like. I came to HN instead. I'd point out that you didn't make clear that you were "citing your sources" with the video link. Now that I know the source ("Stephen Somebody or other" who managed to get himself booked on some low-information blab fest to make his important pronouncement), my initial response, "[s]o tell me what you think, don't link to some rando on youtube," was spot on. All that said, linking to video sources is absolutely reasonable. In fact, I've referenced stuff from videos several times. But each time, I made sure to explain the context of the video, the text of the quote and, most importantly, who was being quoted. As I did here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30762760 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30762760

bee_rider 2y ago

Also it is a video. Asking literate people to go watch a video is disrespectful of their time.

genewitch 2y ago
It is a video of a guest on the view saying the words that i typed. It was "citing a source."
- bee_rider 2y ago
  The View is just a chit-chat show anyway, so a source that proves that somebody said something on it doesn’t prove anything compelling. Anyway, my computer can’t play YouTube (ad blocking issues). The underlying thing that is annoying people, I think, is that this is (as far as I can tell based on what you’ve written) a factual mathematical issue. That sort of thing is easily conveyed via text and equations. Why would anybody want to watch a video of somebody explaining math?
  - genewitch 2y ago
    > The View is just a chit-chat show anyway, so a source that proves that somebody said something on it doesn’t prove anything compelling. This is a fallacy. I repeated numbers, that person was also repeating numbers, however, they're on a national news program and no one has given any reason that the numbers stated were wrong. It does not matter who says something, you have to weigh it on the merits of the statements. It isn't a "factual mathematical issue" it's a sociological issue, and it's bearing out in this comment thread - burying one's head in the sand because "Los Angeles is bigger and has more people" or "land doesn't vote" or "so what, it wasn't a majority" is missing the forest for the trees. Something about the platform did not work for our neighbors. A platform that worked in 2008, 2012, (2016 if you reckon the pundits are correct), and 2020 - it ceased working in 2024; and merely "doing the same thing" going forward won't work. I think the unspoken part is this: "If the left just pushes on as it has been, the midterms and 2028 aren't going to be '1.5%' margins" People often assume i am part of the opposition party.

genewitch 2y ago

lol TIL "The View" is "some rando on youtube" And to answer your question, the video is a guest on the view who i don't know, saying the exact numbers i quoted. I was quoting the person on the view, which aired yesterday or something. what's interesting, is instead of discussing what i said prior to the link, you chose to instead try and make me feel bad for linking a video. Keep it classy, HN.

leourbina 2y ago
Anyone can say anything on YouTube. I think you’re confusing confirmation bias with “citing your sources”.
- genewitch 2y ago
  you didn't watch it either, huh? Nice. also what bias? I didn't make the stats up. Statements of fact cannot be insolent. If you disagree with the facts, then let's talk about that, and look for more data. However, what has happened in this thread is thinking i have an agenda, other than i think people need to hear what they were talking about - in that clip The mentality that "it was real close to 50-50 and trump didn't get a majority of the vote and therefore we can keep on doing what we're doing" is what the video clip was talking to. It didn't work, and the tactics need to change if anyone wants to see change. I don't care that people want to argue with me personally. But it's not doing themselves any favors, as it pertains to getting people elected they want to see in office.
nobody9999 2y ago
>what's interesting, is instead of discussing what i said prior to the link, you chose to instead try and make me feel bad for linking a video. Others had already rebutted your assertion at least as well as I could, so I didn't feel the need to repeat what had already been offered. However, given your initial rationale: >>note: not clicking that because you disagree with me is really doing yourself a disservice. was a poorly constructed straw man. Which I noted. It wasn't that I was rejecting you, I was clarifying that I (and likely many others) come to HN to discuss matters of interest to us. If I wanted to watch videos, I'd go to youtube and the like. I came to HN instead. I'd point out that you didn't make clear that you were "citing your sources" with the video link. Now that I know the source ("Stephen Somebody or other" who managed to get himself booked on some low-information blab fest to make his important pronouncement), my initial response, "[s]o tell me what you think, don't link to some rando on youtube," was spot on. All that said, linking to video sources is absolutely reasonable. In fact, I've referenced stuff from videos several times. But each time, I made sure to explain the context of the video, the text of the quote and, most importantly, who was being quoted. As I did here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30762760 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30762760