Yes. That's true. But that's not what is being discussed. What is being discussed is whether or not frameworks and high level languages exist solely to make

Yes. That's true. But that's not what is being discussed. What is being discussed is whether or not frameworks and high level languages exist solely to make the bottom 90% more productive. My comment illustrates the fact that criticizing those two things in particular is beyond silly. Essentially, I'm saying: Where is the limit? Unless you code everything, from scratch, every time, in assembler... You're using a high level language or a framework. And you should be... The main point of them is to save time. They don't solve all problems obviously, but they solve the kinds of problems that you don't want to solve over and over and over.