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America is one of the last bastions of free speech left. Stuff like this, the tik tok ban, and the "anti-semitism" laws, are very disturbing developments.
by LAC-Tech 2y ago
America is one of the last bastions of free speech left. Stuff like this, the tik tok ban, and the "anti-semitism" laws, are very disturbing developments.
- vkou 2y agoIt's weird that the government of America has fully gotten into the business of tone and morality policing, and banning the press for calling the Gulf of Mexico what it is. That doesn't seem compatible with being a bastion of free anything.
- ranger_danger 2y agofreedom TO vs freedom FROM. For example the left wants freedom from unfair business practices, while the right wants the freedom to do whatever they want in their businesses.
- eddythompson80 2y agoThat whole “freedom TO” vs “freedom FROM” is a meaningless word play. Every “freedom TO” can be reworded to a “freedom FROM” and vice verse. The only meaningful difference is to use “TO” and “FROM” to illustrate 2 abstract types of “freedoms”. The absence of external constraints and the ability to make choices. Two concepts that are very intertwined. Some times discrete, but most of the time intertwined. You can’t assign left or right to either one.
- ranger_danger 2y agoAs a rule, strong feelings about issues do not emerge from deep understanding.
- eddythompson80 2y agoregardless of how nice a sentence sounds, nonsense is still nonsense
- mdp2021 2y agoExcept the key "there is a freedom-to and a freedom-from" is far from being nonsense: it is a basic intellectual key in reasoning over the principles of liceity, "e.g. your freedom to play the drums and my right to (be free to) sleep".
- eddythompson80 2y agoWhich is nonsense to associate with either the political right or left. The comment I was replying to was saying “the left wants their right to sleep while the right wants their right to play the drums” which is nonsense. “The principles of liceity” is external control vs ability to make a choice that I mentioned. It’s not a political right vs political left distinction in how we understand “Freedom”. Both the political right and left view “Freedom” as a mix of both licitness. The recent, bizarre, popularization of the freedom-to vs freedom-from in pop-culture happened after the 2016 election and was portrayed as the difference between how the right and the left views “freedom” which is woefully nonsensical. It might be my liberal (or blue) bubble, but after 2016 is when I started hearing a lot of my friends trying to explain that “oh no, we want a freedom-from not a freedom-to. Here is an article explaining” it became clear how confused everyone was about a simple abstract distinction vs real life application of it.
- mdp2021 2y agoSo, (1) do not contribute to noise, and (2) do not strengthen nor help spread cancerous deliria. Your words: > That whole “freedom TO” vs “freedom FROM” [would be] a meaningless word play. Every “freedom TO” can be reworded to a “freedom FROM” and vice verse and you must have meant "that whole attribution of "freedom to vs from" to different political sides is nonsense and employed as meaningless word play".
- mdp2021 2y ago
- mullingitover 2y agoThe US has had pretty iron-fisted anti-free speech laws for most of its history under the guise of anti-obscenity rules. They'll probably come back, too, given the current regime.
- Terr_ 2y agoThere's an informative video-dive into that, centered on the effect of the movie Blazing Saddles: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzMFoNZeZm0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzMFoNZeZm0
- bluSCALE4 2y agoAs an adult that self censors in America, that ship has long sailed.