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Tesla gets more than 20% of parts from Mexico, it will be affected by tariffs
- chairmansteve 2y agoIt will get a waiver.
- bdangubic 2y agotrump gonna do this oprah style on tv, “you get a waiver, you get a waiver, EVERYBODY gets a waiver” :)
- morkalork 2y agoMexico should fill in that gap with an export tax then
- EGreg 2y agowhy would it get a waiver? Mexico is already paying for the wall, so... why should they pay here too?
- YokoZar 2y agoThe simple answer is because waivers are at the discretion of the administration.
- bliteben 2y agoI thought everyone got waivers and the tariffs were just an excuse for raising prices. Was that not what happened in his first administration?
- TheSpiceIsLife 2y agoI guess the reasoning goes something like: Tesla / Musk / Broligarcy.
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- Terr_ 2y agoI'm confused by your post, because if I squint it seems like there are multiple ways to interpret it: 1. User legitimately doesn't know that tariffs are a tax against the importer, meaning parts-importer Tesla might seek a personalized tax-break, and because Musk's buddy Trump is a corrupt crook he might command the government to grant it. 2. User doesn't realize Trump can corruptly give Musk an exception, and furthermore is also asking why Mexico would want to impose a responding tax on their own exporters, just to punish them for making sales to US-Tesla. 3. It's actually all sarcasm in one way or another, but Poe's Law is too strong and pretending to be a Redcap looks like actually being one.
- EGreg 2y agoMexico never paid for the wall. You do the math :)
- foogazi 2y agoOr get postponed like all car tariffs Or reduced like energy imports It's just a scam
- tarriffic 2y agoIt already did... https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-trudeau-and-trump-discuss-trade-fentanyl-in-first-phone-call-since/ https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-trudeau-and-t...
- rpmisms 2y agoOK, but how will they be affected relative to other car companies?
- steveBK123 2y agoOther automakers are arguably worse off as they operate factories on both sides of the border, have more complex supply chains and are less agile. I honestly don't know how the auto industry is going to survive this chaos. These guys have 5 year lead times on designs, assembly lines, suppliers, supply chains, etc. How does any of that work with weekly tariff policy changes? I wonder if it's all going to backfire and we'll see more cars just fully assembled overseas & shipped in, regardless of tariff. Tesla has a lot more agility in swapping parts out and handling any differences in software, for better or worse. We saw this during the pandemic with chip shortages. They have a much more move-fast-and-break-things mentality so for example while they are first to put tablet screens in cars, they were not automative grade which is what lead to a lot of short lifespans in early Model S vehicles. Similar for the flash memory rewrite issue affecting early models.
- rpmisms 2y agoThe screen was never an issue in the 2012-2014 Model S, it was just the adhesive. The flash memory issue did affect my old car, very annoying. What you said makes sense in terms of relative effect. I think most--if not all--of the companies will come to the admin looking for an adjustment, and they'll get one.
- steveBK123 2y agoScreen vs adhesive that holds the screen assembly together .. semantics with same outcome - the edges of the screen yellowed progressively over time for some owners, making their expensive luxury car infotainment unattractive / less usable.
- CottonMcKnight 2y ago"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States..." If the Line Item Veto was unconstitutional, then Congress surrendering its power to the President to not only impose tariffs unilaterally but then to _exempt_ favored parties from them, is not only blatantly corrupt, but clearly also unconstitutional. But I'm not holding my breath for sanity from the Originalist Court.
- Terr_ 2y agoTo put a slightly finer point on it, I have described it to my federal legislators[' answering machines] as an on-demand, retroactive, reversible, line-item veto. More-importantly, what does it mean in a representative democracy, when a majority of legislators reach a "compromise" by passing a bill... and then one side simply violates the laws they just voted for because they don't like those parts? It's the same as making a trade with someone and then they take our a gun and mug you for your wallet. In short, the federal legislative process died last month, and Republicans murdered it. It is literally not possible to resurrect it until after Republicans throw away the murder-weapon. The main question now is how long Democrats will be in a state of denial like a battered spouse.
- jeffbee 2y agoEven if you think that it is constitutional to delegate this power to the executive, it's clearly inconsistent with Biden v. Nebraska, where the supreme court ruled that the executive can't even exercise powers that congress explicitly delegated (when a Democrat is president only, for some reason).
- alabastervlog 2y agoHe’s also abusing the way the power’s delegated. He only declared the “fentanyl emergency” because unilateral tariffs are an emergency power. So then he tariffs China more (ok, sure, he doesn’t actually care about the fentanyl thing but fine I guess) and then also… Mexico? Ok they cooperate pretty well when we don’t levy tariffs so seems like that should have been like step fifty if things went poorly, but… I guess? Oh but also Canada, which no sane analysis would judge is relevant to his “fentanyl emergency”, so clearly he’s just full of shit and wanted to seize some power.
- refactor_master 2y agoWould Musk/Tesla theoretically have money enough to just eat the losses themselves for the first 6 months or so, and then secretly jack up the prices with a dumb excuse attached, when Trumpists have forgotten about the possibly that tariffs could backfire?
- steveBK123 2y agoMAGA is not buying Tesla vehicles, regardless of their enjoyment of his recent politics.
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- laughing_man 2y agoTesla isn't a hugely profitable company. I suspect what will happen here is they'll get a waiver on the import duties if they promise to move the production to the US over some number of years.
- whoitwas 2y agoWhy are we attacking our allies like this? What have Mexico and Canada done? Or Greenland, Panama, the EU? Why are we aligned with Russia over our allies? Who benefits from this?
- testrun 2y agoPutin.
- thrance 2y ago[flagged]
- deadbabe 2y agoWe are not allies with Russia. We are opposed to many things with them but we can still work to find some strategic cooperation from time to time.
- bdangubic 2y ago“my spouse beats the shit out of me most of the time, buuuuuut we can still go out on a nice date every now and again…” that is how crazy that sounds
- thrance 2y agoYou're in a cult. Why would you want to work with the aggressor, who broke his peace vows 27 times? Why wouldn't you work with your closest allies, Canada, Mexico and Europe?
- whoitwas 2y agoThe actions of Donald Trump align USA with Russia over our allies. We recently stopped sharing intel with Ukraine, stopped aid to Ukraine, threatened to withdraw from NATO, insisted Ukraine sign a peace deal giving Russia annexed land, called Zelinski a dictator, etc, you can go on endlessly.
- m4rtink 2y agoThere are russian strikes on civilians every day, in full view of the world, all over the news and social networks. Like, how can they just ignore that ? How ss this fine in any way ?? How can those people even sleep at night ?
- johnea 2y agoI'm sure Elon is horrified. Imagine if he lost a $100B and was only worth $1/4T? How would he even get by?
- fastball 2y agoSlightly tangential to the article itself, but quite relevant to the overall vibe of this comment section (and others like it): it seems like a large percentage of the HN community genuinely thinks that we should always do whatever is best for ourselves personally when it comes to politics. "Voting against their own interests" has been a common refrain around here for the last months/years, usually in reference to Trump supporters and usually in reference to economic interests, as if your own personal economic benefit is the only thing that matters when in the voting booth. Maybe some people believe in more than just their own economic self-interest? In fact, Benjamin Franklin once said that "When the people find that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic." And yet I feel like there are many commenters around here who are effectively encouraging everyone to do that, and/or gleefully experiencing schadenfreude when people don't do that. Now that I have articulated this though, I realize maybe a community built around a startup accelerator is exactly the place you'd find people that fixate on economic self-interest.
- myhf 2y agoNorwegian citizens found that they could vote themselves money and it worked out fine. It's almost always a better strategy than voting to give money to oligarchs.
- laughing_man 2y agoThat's because there aren't many Norwegians and Norway has a lot of oil. It's one of the few countries where they can afford to do so. And nobody is voting to give money to oligarchs. We'd just rather not have our country spend itself into the third world.
- stephen_g 2y agoIronically the result of all the cuts will likely be a reduction in the size of the economy - which can actually lower the tax take too (a portion of the money flowing around the economy comes back in taxes) so the combination of that will likely be an increase in the US's debt to GDP ratio and reduced living standards for most people. That is not to say that Governments can spend to excess with no consequences of course, but that these indiscriminate cuts are likely going to have the opposite effect as intended.
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