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Well, AM and FM radio are plagued with ads, always were and always will be. As far as I can see this is just a replacement for the fact that nobody listens to

Well, AM and FM radio are plagued with ads, always were and always will be. As far as I can see this is just a replacement for the fact that nobody listens to radio in their car any more. There is an entire older generation that is used to ads being blasted in their cars. The visual assault is new though.

LinuxBender 2y ago
Is that the same? In my vehicles if an ad starts playing I can push a button and be listening to another station or I can listen to a CD or MP3. Does it work that way when ads pop up in these distracted-driver-tainment systems?
npongratz 2y ago
The AM and FM radio ads cannot surveil you like the GPS- and cell-enabled (and forced) in-vehicle advertising systems do.
- tantalor 2y ago
  Some people might prefer an ad which is relevant to their location over something extremely generic and less useful. Sharing location does not necessarily need to impact privacy.
  - user3939382 2y ago
    I think you may actually be right but I always react with disgust and amazement at the concept of wanting ads that are “better” or “more useful”. To me, that fact that you’re making an unsolicited pitch to me to capture my money is an insult and assault on my attention. Even if it somehow happened to align with something I wanted, I then wouldn’t want it from that company.
    - quickslowdown 2y ago
      I'm with you on this. I don't even know how to have a conversation about ads with someone whose position is anything other than "fuck psychologically manipulating people into buying something they don't need and didn't want 2 minutes ago." I block ads anywhere I can. I don't watch tv, listen to radio, watch youtube, etc. I basically don't see ads. And when I see or hear one out in the world, I immediately shift my focus elsewhere. It's automatic at this point, I hear or see the start of an ad and immediately dissociate or turn my attention elsewhere. I'm not interested in splitting hairs over " acceptable" advertising, because that's an oxymoron to me. I understand this is a hardline stance. But ads should really be annoying the shit out of all of us. People discussing the benefits of privacy encroachment for the sole purpose of "serving me better ads" are, in my opinion, missing the point. Or at least missing my point. I don't want ads, especially ones that are targeted based on data collected from me. These are the most likely to effectively sway me towards buying something. If I want something, I'll go online and search for it and might decide to buy it. I don't need some marketing schmuck who spent their entire 8 hour day trying to build a perfect string of words and sound effects designed to trigger deep seated biological responses in me. If I want your product, I will find it. Sorry for the rant.
    - smackeyacky 2y ago
      Its generally not unsolicited though. Using free services that are ad supported implies the consent you will hear advertisements. The Jeep situation is weird in some ways - is the car cheaper because it's ad supported? What did the owners sign up for?
      - herrherrmann 2y ago
        It’s more money for Jeep, and it looks like they can get away with it, because there are no alternatives for the buyers(?). I’d be surprised if that is in any way good/cheaper for the users.
  - beretguy 2y ago
    I don’t want ANY ads.
    - tantalor 2y ago
      You have that right: just don't use any ad supported services.
28304283409234 2y ago
Interesting whatsboutism you have there.
- smackeyacky 2y ago
  Is it wrong though? Gen X here, everything we ever watched had ads in it or near it
  - npongratz 2y ago
    I see two major differences to the mass advertising of yesteryear (which, similar to you, I have also lived through): 1) The psychological manipulation inherent to all advertising has shifted from diluted, mass manipulation to pinpoint-accurate, targeted manipulation right down to the individual level, with impunity via plausible deniability. 2) Advertising is a major distributor of malware, with the ability to target anything with a chip. Given either one of the above, I absolutely cannot trust any advertising delivered via modern technology. Since we have to contend with both issues, I view modern advertising as one of greatest threats to my mental health and individual sovereignty that exists in my day-to-day life.

LinuxBender 2y ago

Is that the same? In my vehicles if an ad starts playing I can push a button and be listening to another station or I can listen to a CD or MP3. Does it work that way when ads pop up in these distracted-driver-tainment systems?

npongratz 2y ago

The AM and FM radio ads cannot surveil you like the GPS- and cell-enabled (and forced) in-vehicle advertising systems do.

tantalor 2y ago
Some people might prefer an ad which is relevant to their location over something extremely generic and less useful. Sharing location does not necessarily need to impact privacy.
- user3939382 2y ago
  I think you may actually be right but I always react with disgust and amazement at the concept of wanting ads that are “better” or “more useful”. To me, that fact that you’re making an unsolicited pitch to me to capture my money is an insult and assault on my attention. Even if it somehow happened to align with something I wanted, I then wouldn’t want it from that company.
  - quickslowdown 2y ago
    I'm with you on this. I don't even know how to have a conversation about ads with someone whose position is anything other than "fuck psychologically manipulating people into buying something they don't need and didn't want 2 minutes ago." I block ads anywhere I can. I don't watch tv, listen to radio, watch youtube, etc. I basically don't see ads. And when I see or hear one out in the world, I immediately shift my focus elsewhere. It's automatic at this point, I hear or see the start of an ad and immediately dissociate or turn my attention elsewhere. I'm not interested in splitting hairs over " acceptable" advertising, because that's an oxymoron to me. I understand this is a hardline stance. But ads should really be annoying the shit out of all of us. People discussing the benefits of privacy encroachment for the sole purpose of "serving me better ads" are, in my opinion, missing the point. Or at least missing my point. I don't want ads, especially ones that are targeted based on data collected from me. These are the most likely to effectively sway me towards buying something. If I want something, I'll go online and search for it and might decide to buy it. I don't need some marketing schmuck who spent their entire 8 hour day trying to build a perfect string of words and sound effects designed to trigger deep seated biological responses in me. If I want your product, I will find it. Sorry for the rant.
  - smackeyacky 2y ago
    Its generally not unsolicited though. Using free services that are ad supported implies the consent you will hear advertisements. The Jeep situation is weird in some ways - is the car cheaper because it's ad supported? What did the owners sign up for?
    - herrherrmann 2y ago
      It’s more money for Jeep, and it looks like they can get away with it, because there are no alternatives for the buyers(?). I’d be surprised if that is in any way good/cheaper for the users.
- beretguy 2y ago
  I don’t want ANY ads.
  - tantalor 2y ago
    You have that right: just don't use any ad supported services.

28304283409234 2y ago

Interesting whatsboutism you have there.

smackeyacky 2y ago
Is it wrong though? Gen X here, everything we ever watched had ads in it or near it
- npongratz 2y ago
  I see two major differences to the mass advertising of yesteryear (which, similar to you, I have also lived through): 1) The psychological manipulation inherent to all advertising has shifted from diluted, mass manipulation to pinpoint-accurate, targeted manipulation right down to the individual level, with impunity via plausible deniability. 2) Advertising is a major distributor of malware, with the ability to target anything with a chip. Given either one of the above, I absolutely cannot trust any advertising delivered via modern technology. Since we have to contend with both issues, I view modern advertising as one of greatest threats to my mental health and individual sovereignty that exists in my day-to-day life.