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The rules say you must try to win every match, not try to win the tournament. Violation of Players’ Code of Conduct, Section 4.5 for “not using one’s best effor

by ximeng 14y ago

The rules say you must try to win every match, not try to win the tournament. Violation of Players’ Code of Conduct, Section 4.5 for “not using one’s best efforts to win a match.” http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetorch/2012/08/01/157703869/badmintons-detrimental-conduct-rule-and-losing-on-purpose http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetorch/2012/08/01/157703869/badmi...

tghw 14y ago
Why is that rule necessary? Shouldn't the tournament be structured such that the only way to win the tournament is to win matches?
- chrischen 14y ago
  I can't think of any algorithms to accurately rank all teams except to just have every team play every other team. There's the ELO system, but I think that's only an approximation.
- yen223 14y ago
  Probably to prevent match-fixing.
kenjackson 14y ago
In the context of a tournament that doesn't make sense. Let me give you an example. Lets say I'm playing team A. I know if I beat team A then I must play B and C. Both of whom I know I can't beat. If I lose to team A then I must play D and E, both of whom I know I can beat. Thereby me using my best effort to win against A also means that I'm knowingly putting myself in a position to lose my next two matches. So I'm not using my best efforts to win a match -- it just happens to be a future match, not the match that I'm currently in. Now if Section 4.5 was clear that it only applied to the match you were currently playing then it would be fine. But it's still a braindead tournament construction where to incentive players to do their best you must create a rule dictating it.
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- ximeng 14y ago
  Braindead tournament - agree. Interpretation of 4.5 ambiguous - agree, though I think your alternative interpretation is less compelling. See also 4.16 - "Conducting oneself in a manner that is clearly abusive or detrimental to the sport", again under a reasonable interpretation this was committed, although you could argue that there is some future chain of events where this could be good for the sport I suppose. The fact that the judge told them to stop and they carried on doesn't go in their favour. http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file_download.aspx?id=364321&tid=1 http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file_download.aspx?id=364321&#38...

by ximeng 14y ago

tghw 14y ago

Why is that rule necessary? Shouldn't the tournament be structured such that the only way to win the tournament is to win matches?

chrischen 14y ago
I can't think of any algorithms to accurately rank all teams except to just have every team play every other team. There's the ELO system, but I think that's only an approximation.
yen223 14y ago
Probably to prevent match-fixing.

kenjackson 14y ago

In the context of a tournament that doesn't make sense. Let me give you an example. Lets say I'm playing team A. I know if I beat team A then I must play B and C. Both of whom I know I can't beat. If I lose to team A then I must play D and E, both of whom I know I can beat. Thereby me using my best effort to win against A also means that I'm knowingly putting myself in a position to lose my next two matches. So I'm not using my best efforts to win a match -- it just happens to be a future match, not the match that I'm currently in. Now if Section 4.5 was clear that it only applied to the match you were currently playing then it would be fine. But it's still a braindead tournament construction where to incentive players to do their best you must create a rule dictating it.

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ximeng 14y ago
Braindead tournament - agree. Interpretation of 4.5 ambiguous - agree, though I think your alternative interpretation is less compelling. See also 4.16 - "Conducting oneself in a manner that is clearly abusive or detrimental to the sport", again under a reasonable interpretation this was committed, although you could argue that there is some future chain of events where this could be good for the sport I suppose. The fact that the judge told them to stop and they carried on doesn't go in their favour. http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file_download.aspx?id=364321&tid=1 http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file_download.aspx?id=364321&#38...