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It’s parent’s responsibility to look after their kids - not the government’s job. Every consumer computing platform has parental controls.
by scarface_74 2y ago
It’s parent’s responsibility to look after their kids - not the government’s job. Every consumer computing platform has parental controls.
- lnsru 2y agoParents have no chances against multi billion corporations turning kids into zombies. I see hordes of these on the way to school in the morning and trying find way home afterwards.
- jeremyjh 2y agoYes and we should legalize lead paint again while we are at it. It’s a parents responsibility to prevent their child from eating paint chips everywhere they go.
- nh23423fefe 2y agoYou couldn't exhibit a better analogy, so you used this bad one instead.
- jeremyjh 2y agoAnd you couldn’t list one reason it’s bad, so you didn’t give any.
- JustExAWS 2y agoBecause there is no knob you can turn and get rid of lead paint. You can use parental controls and block kids access to sites and apps you find objectionable
- dragonwriter 2y ago> You can use parental controls and block kids access to sites and apps you find objectionable You can use parental controls and block kirds access to sites you found objectionable in the past, just as you can keep your kids out of buildings you jave previously inspected for lead paint. OTOH, I suspect people raising this objection (note that I am not, even if I think I have an understanding of how they might apply the analogy) would prefer to have some guarantee that people aren't doing the equivalent of repainting with lead paint after the parents have inspected, and would often even prefer not have to do the equivalent of inspecting every virtual building their children might enter for the digital equivalent of lead paint.
- JustExAWS 2y agoWell, since the internet is international, how do you propose that you make legislation that will keep your kids “safe” from international sites? This isn’t hypothetical, right now there is a law in Florida where porn sites must verify the age of users. I’m sure you would be shocked to know that kids can still get to porn sites without age verification. Sites not based in the US just ignored the law. However, you can still use parental controls to block those sites.
- jeremyjh 2y agoIts essentially part of the environment at this point, you can't completely control access. Kids without social media access are second-class citizens - or worse - in their peer groups. The reason the platforms do not offer an option to turn off algorithmic feeds is because they make a lot of money off these kids.
- JustExAWS 2y agoSo do you also buy your kids iPhones so they won’t feel like second class citizens with green bubbles? Would you buy your kids $150 Jordan’s or whatever the equivalent is today so they would be part of the in crowd? Say it’s okay to do drugs because if they don’t they won’t be part of the crowd?
- jeremyjh 2y agoI'd guess maybe 40% of kids are using drugs now and then, less than 5% regularly (at least in my district). But over 90% are on Instagram, even more on Tiktok. Its not really comparable.
- scarface_74 2y agoAnd what’s stopping you from using parental controls to keep your kids off of Instagram? It’s comparable because you don’t let your kids do other things I’m sure just because other kids are doing it.
- jeremyjh 2y agoI already explained that part.
- scarface_74 2y agoThat you don’t want to be a responsible parent and you are worried about your kids being ostracized? You never did answer the rest. Do you also buy your kids the latest fashion, the newest iPhone and let them use drugs so they fit in?
- consteval 2y agoA better analogy is that algorithms are designed to be feedback loops that trigger extremely positive or negative emotions in people. Meaning, they are addiction machines. Allowing minors access to addiction machines is like allowing them access to tobacco. Generally, we say “fuck it” when it comes to addiction in adults. Personal choice or whatever - never mind the very definition of addiction undermines choice. But with children, we at least try to shield them from things that they will be hooked on indefinitely. Try, I say, because we don’t do a great job. Just look at food. I’m not in favor of child censorship type legislation because it’s almost always a poor excuse at authoritarianism and censorship. But, reframing algorithmic feeds as slot machines or cigs makes the position much more understandable.
- mrgoldenbrown 2y agoWhich platforms allow a parent turn off algorithmic content feeds?
- scarface_74 2y agoiOS and Android allow you to completely block app installs on your child’s devices as well as does Macs and Windows computers.
- nickthegreek 2y agoI think mrgold was looking for a solution that didnt lock their kid out of the arcade, but just allowed them to minimize the exposure to gambling while allowing a social experience. Having control of, or ability to remove some algorithms would be appreciated.
- bdangubic 2y agowhat if I want my kid to be degenerate gambler at an early age (apparently this is all cool the USA, I mean gambling...) but don't want her to poison her brain with arcade games? the answer here of course is very simple, you teach your kid what she is or isn't allowed to do "online" just like you do IRL. and you verify by either sharing the account so you can see what is being installed and/or checking the device... parenting ain't that complicated...
- nickthegreek 2y agoYou do you i guess. But we have decided as a society that childen do not have the full list of rights as adults. And in most cases, there is still leniency as well. You might think its fun getting shitfaced with your 6 year old, but society has said no. Now your 16 yr old has a glass of wine under your supervision? Well no one is going to be locking you up. Is this method of parenting that you are advocating for working out okay for you or do you not have children? Myself, I am childless and I do not like KOSA as I am unwilling to give up the anonymous internet to keep the kids safe. At the same time I do think there is room for some regulation here.
- nickthegreek 2y agoTo be frank, its both societies' and a parents job. But I want to see solutions that don't make me, a free adult show my identification to websites. I will not support for hamfisted legislation that deprive adults of privacy and freedom.
- JustExAWS 2y agoSo you want a method to block kids from going to websites, not block adults going to websites and you don’t want age verification? You don’t see a problem with this?
- nickthegreek 2y agoOh I see the problem. It’s a minefield of issues! I’m saying that allowing kids on large social media to begin with is an issue. Co-minging them with the rest of the userbase adds to the issue. If the interface was a different color and the parent had an easy way to know which Instagram (or Instagram Jr) the user was on, the parent could easily understand where they were. It would be easier to regulate algorithms and such on that walled garden. If kids were found to be on the adult version, the accounts should be banned. I’m not saying there is a perfect solution. I’m saying the 1st amendment exists and you need to work within that framework. And I refuse to agree that the only choice is giving up being anonymous on the internet. It’s not even clear that KOSA could survive 1A challenges. Regulate the issues causing the problems. Allow users to bring their own algorithms. Don’t allow algorithmic content/advetising on accounts marked as under 18. There are so many other things to try first. The issue is Big Tech owns the legislators and so we are stuck with nothing except them whims of the few powerful people at the helm of these ships.
- scarface_74 2y agoAnd how do you know someone is under 18 without age verification? We are right back to where we started with giving random websites your ID?