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Think about that: the dinosaurs did not die because of the impact of the asteroid, but because of the climate change that followed. Fun fact: that climate chan

by palata 2y ago

Think about that: the dinosaurs did not die because of the impact of the asteroid, but because of the climate change that followed. Fun fact: that climate change was a lot slower than the one we are measuring now. A lot.

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> dinosaurs did not die because of the impact of the asteroid, but because of the climate change that followed Dinosaurs couldn’t construct shelter with A/C, harvest power from the sun and the earth’s core or move around the planet in a day [1]. And even then, it took at least tens of thousands of years [2]. It’s about as unscientific to claim anthropogenic climate change is going to cause human extinction within even 10,000 years as it is to claim it doesn’t exist. [1] source needed [2] https://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyle/science/asteroid-may-have-killed-dinosaurs-quicker-than-scientists-thought-idUSBRE91618B/ https://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyle/science/asteroid-m...
- palata 2y ago
  > Dinosaurs couldn’t construct shelter with A/C, harvest power from the sun and the earth’s core or move around the planet in a day [1] Simple question: do you know what we humans eat? Can you grow that in your bunker at scale? And even if you could: if your project is to make the Earth look like mars and call it a success because some humans survive when most species are extinct, then I don't know what to say. > It’s about as unscientific to claim anthropogenic climate change is going to cause human extinction within even 10,000 years as it is to claim it doesn’t exist. This is called manipulation. I didn't say that. What I said is that for what we know and measure, climate change is likely to cause a global collapse, maybe human extinction. Claiming that climate change doesn't exist is just wrong.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > do you know what we humans eat? Can you grow that in your bunker? Soil, artificial UV and nitrogen extraction from air are solved problems. And you would not need a bunker, just A/C (or filtration if we’re going nuclear). > because some humans survive when most species are extinct If you’re talking about climate change, it’s some humans and some species are extinct. (Most cuddly wild mammals and birds we like.) > for what we know and measure, climate change is likely to cause a global collapse, maybe human extinction Right. This is false catastrophism. There isn’t a “maybe” human extinction within known parameters. There isn’t even an end to industrial civilisation without nukes. People say this crap and undermine the entire climate movement because when the lie in extinction risk is shown it brings into legitimate question the other claims.
    - palata 2y ago
      > There isn’t a “maybe” human extinction within known parameters. There isn’t even an end to industrial civilisation without nukes What the hell? Let's completely put climate change and mass extinction (which are huge problems on their own) aside for a moment. Do you know what threatens the collapse of the industrial civilisation? The end of fossil fuels. That's a very real problem right here right now. Without the climate change and mass extinction problems, that would still be a reason for our industrial civilisation to collapse soon. Luckily, the solution to all of those 3 problems is the same: cut down emissions, do less with less. A good introduction to the problem, I find, is here: https://www.amazon.com/World-Without-End-Illustrated-Climate/dp/1638931119 https://www.amazon.com/World-Without-End-Illustrated-Climate...
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > Do you know what threatens the collapse of the industrial civilisation? The end of fossil fuels …we have other power sources. No science supports your assertions. The single source you’ve put forward, World Without End, doesn’t support your assertions. We aren’t going extinct because of climate change. We aren’t losing industrial civilisation because of climate change or running out of fossil fuels. There are good reasons to act on climate change without lying. And by lying, you undermine the legitimate science around the damage and costs.
        palata 2y ago
        > The single source you’ve put forward, World Without End, doesn’t support your assertions. Clearly you haven't read it, have you?

by palata 2y ago

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> dinosaurs did not die because of the impact of the asteroid, but because of the climate change that followed Dinosaurs couldn’t construct shelter with A/C, harvest power from the sun and the earth’s core or move around the planet in a day [1]. And even then, it took at least tens of thousands of years [2]. It’s about as unscientific to claim anthropogenic climate change is going to cause human extinction within even 10,000 years as it is to claim it doesn’t exist. [1] source needed [2] https://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyle/science/asteroid-may-have-killed-dinosaurs-quicker-than-scientists-thought-idUSBRE91618B/ https://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyle/science/asteroid-m...

palata 2y ago
> Dinosaurs couldn’t construct shelter with A/C, harvest power from the sun and the earth’s core or move around the planet in a day [1] Simple question: do you know what we humans eat? Can you grow that in your bunker at scale? And even if you could: if your project is to make the Earth look like mars and call it a success because some humans survive when most species are extinct, then I don't know what to say. > It’s about as unscientific to claim anthropogenic climate change is going to cause human extinction within even 10,000 years as it is to claim it doesn’t exist. This is called manipulation. I didn't say that. What I said is that for what we know and measure, climate change is likely to cause a global collapse, maybe human extinction. Claiming that climate change doesn't exist is just wrong.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > do you know what we humans eat? Can you grow that in your bunker? Soil, artificial UV and nitrogen extraction from air are solved problems. And you would not need a bunker, just A/C (or filtration if we’re going nuclear). > because some humans survive when most species are extinct If you’re talking about climate change, it’s some humans and some species are extinct. (Most cuddly wild mammals and birds we like.) > for what we know and measure, climate change is likely to cause a global collapse, maybe human extinction Right. This is false catastrophism. There isn’t a “maybe” human extinction within known parameters. There isn’t even an end to industrial civilisation without nukes. People say this crap and undermine the entire climate movement because when the lie in extinction risk is shown it brings into legitimate question the other claims.
  - palata 2y ago
    > There isn’t a “maybe” human extinction within known parameters. There isn’t even an end to industrial civilisation without nukes What the hell? Let's completely put climate change and mass extinction (which are huge problems on their own) aside for a moment. Do you know what threatens the collapse of the industrial civilisation? The end of fossil fuels. That's a very real problem right here right now. Without the climate change and mass extinction problems, that would still be a reason for our industrial civilisation to collapse soon. Luckily, the solution to all of those 3 problems is the same: cut down emissions, do less with less. A good introduction to the problem, I find, is here: https://www.amazon.com/World-Without-End-Illustrated-Climate/dp/1638931119 https://www.amazon.com/World-Without-End-Illustrated-Climate...
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > Do you know what threatens the collapse of the industrial civilisation? The end of fossil fuels …we have other power sources. No science supports your assertions. The single source you’ve put forward, World Without End, doesn’t support your assertions. We aren’t going extinct because of climate change. We aren’t losing industrial civilisation because of climate change or running out of fossil fuels. There are good reasons to act on climate change without lying. And by lying, you undermine the legitimate science around the damage and costs.
      - palata 2y ago
        > The single source you’ve put forward, World Without End, doesn’t support your assertions. Clearly you haven't read it, have you?