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Huh. What's the source of truth here? How do we know what anybody has won or not won? Can I create an iPad screenshot of myself winning a Monster Jackpot, and

Huh. What's the source of truth here? How do we know what anybody has won or not won? Can I create an iPad screenshot of myself winning a Monster Jackpot, and then be awarded a Monster Jackpot?

Arnavion 2y ago
They acknowledged the bug themselves, so they're not disputing that she saw the 1M prize animation. >PPB had said that the outcome was determined by a random number generator, which had said she had only won the daily jackpot, but an error affected the animations of the game and showed her the wrong result. >The judge found that the result from the random number generator was different from the result on screen due to human error in mapping the software, which had affected 14 plays over 48 days.
- thaumasiotes 2y ago
  That didn't answer any of my questions. Suppose I wanted to be the 15th of those 14 people. I have identical claims, except that mine, unlike theirs, are fraudulent. How will this be determined?
  - shakna 2y ago
    > Mr Padgett admitted that 13 other consumers had been affected by the same mislabelling between the 1st of September and the 18th of October 2020 and he listed the dates upon which those events occurred. Discovery. The company had the logs to prove where and when the bug occured. This is why they're legally required to keep such logs.
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alibarber 2y ago
I think that the actual bug was indeed found and proven, most likely by the company themselves or an auditor (or perhaps even from their supplier). The article states that this happened 14 times over a period of 48 days so there must be some sort of record that was found. Of course, a less scrupulous casino regulated by some more ‘business friendly’ government might tell you to go pound sand and not admit anything, so actually getting anything relies mainly on the legal system.
marcinzm 2y ago
It's called the legal system. It's there to resolve these issues and it did. edit: As for the rest of your question. You're perfectly "free" to commit fraud or any other crime but, again, we have a legal system that would jail or fine you for that if caught.
mannykannot 2y ago
Though the article does not mention it, there does not appear to be any dispute over what the program displayed to the plaintiff, and I would guess that the company is not asserting that the plaintiff's claims are fraudulent.
gblargg 2y ago
My thought as well. What constitutes a real win? It's random so how can they really say what kind of win it "should" have been? Ultimately there was a luck factor they hadn't planned on: the chance of a programming error that displayed the "wrong" screen.

Huh. What's the source of truth here? How do we know what anybody has won or not won? Can I create an iPad screenshot of myself winning a Monster Jackpot, and then be awarded a Monster Jackpot?

Arnavion 2y ago

They acknowledged the bug themselves, so they're not disputing that she saw the 1M prize animation. >PPB had said that the outcome was determined by a random number generator, which had said she had only won the daily jackpot, but an error affected the animations of the game and showed her the wrong result. >The judge found that the result from the random number generator was different from the result on screen due to human error in mapping the software, which had affected 14 plays over 48 days.

thaumasiotes 2y ago
That didn't answer any of my questions. Suppose I wanted to be the 15th of those 14 people. I have identical claims, except that mine, unlike theirs, are fraudulent. How will this be determined?
- shakna 2y ago
  > Mr Padgett admitted that 13 other consumers had been affected by the same mislabelling between the 1st of September and the 18th of October 2020 and he listed the dates upon which those events occurred. Discovery. The company had the logs to prove where and when the bug occured. This is why they're legally required to keep such logs.

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alibarber 2y ago

I think that the actual bug was indeed found and proven, most likely by the company themselves or an auditor (or perhaps even from their supplier). The article states that this happened 14 times over a period of 48 days so there must be some sort of record that was found. Of course, a less scrupulous casino regulated by some more ‘business friendly’ government might tell you to go pound sand and not admit anything, so actually getting anything relies mainly on the legal system.

marcinzm 2y ago

It's called the legal system. It's there to resolve these issues and it did. edit: As for the rest of your question. You're perfectly "free" to commit fraud or any other crime but, again, we have a legal system that would jail or fine you for that if caught.

mannykannot 2y ago

Though the article does not mention it, there does not appear to be any dispute over what the program displayed to the plaintiff, and I would guess that the company is not asserting that the plaintiff's claims are fraudulent.

gblargg 2y ago

My thought as well. What constitutes a real win? It's random so how can they really say what kind of win it "should" have been? Ultimately there was a luck factor they hadn't planned on: the chance of a programming error that displayed the "wrong" screen.