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Ignoring the obvious humanitarian aspect of it (veteran suicide rate, societal promises of healthcare: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honoring_our_PACT_Act_of_20

Ignoring the obvious humanitarian aspect of it (veteran suicide rate, societal promises of healthcare: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honoring_our_PACT_Act_of_2022 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honoring_our_PACT_Act_of_2022), politically you have to wonder why do this. Vets usually vote conservative, are often employed by the VA. It's an economically unstable time with other administration policies like tariffs. It won't reduce the deficit by any significant %. VA hospitals are often a source of general healthcare to fill gaps in the system.

lenerdenator 2y ago
"Government doesn't work. Here, we'll prove it." Ever since Reagan said "I think you all know that I've always felt the nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help." there's been a cadre of monied business interests who want to replace all government with "private" services, basically making themselves the new royal families of the US.
- hello_moto 2y ago
  > the nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help That pretty much sums up the difference between USA vs the rest of Western countries. In the US, People are protecting themselves from their own Government. Other Western Countries, The Government is there to protect the people (and the people understand this).
  - jakeogh 2y ago
    ... until they outlaw silent prayer?
    - lenerdenator 2y ago
      Seems hard to enforce, no?
      - TimorousBestie 2y ago
        I imagine grandparent is referring to an incident in the UK where a man was arrested for “silently praying.” The additional context is that he was in a legally mandated exclusion zone around an abortion clinic. It’s become a meme (sans context of course) in conservative circles since Vance recently reiterated it. Never mind that the US uses such free speech exclusion zones frequently. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/christian-bournemouth-christchurch-uk-parliament-army-b2631603.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/christian-bourne...
    - hello_moto 2y ago
      Man you need to share the whole story not just cuts here and there for narratives. Do better.
- jorblumesea 2y ago
  In this case it's directly firing your voter base. It's the same with medicaid, social security and other cut proposals. Tariffs also. People care the most about their own wallet and income. The policies have no indirection or subtlety.
unsnap_biceps 2y ago
It really seems like that a large number of politicians no longer seem to think that their actions will impact future voting. And I mean this on both sides, there's a lot of inaction on the D side. I wonder if popularism has just broken our electorate where they're convinced everyone is going to vote the way they are going to vote regardless of who they're voting for and thus there's no need to actually represent their constituents anymore.
- DrillShopper 2y ago
  > there's a lot of inaction on the D side Not true - I've gotten five fundraising texts today. Now effective action? Not wrong.
- Y_Y 2y ago
  What future?
- scarface_74 2y ago
  If you are in a safe Republican district and you probably are because of gerrymandering, your concern is not losing to a Democrat, it’s being primaried by a Trump endorsed Republican funded by Musk where he also uses X as a bully pulpit. The main things that many Trump supporters care about is fighting for “American culture”, trying to stymie it from becoming a minority majority company, those evil trans people using the wrong bathroom, immigrants bringing diseases and crime and woke something or other.
techpineapple 2y ago
I sort of have to hand it to republicans, I am impressed by their commitment to slash spending even in the face of hurting their own constituents, like at least they're consistent. On the other hand, it's amazing that people seem to hear "Republicans will make the Government better" Rather than "Republicans will slash and burn the Government regardless of who it hurts" even when they're not particularly quiet about it.
blindriver 2y ago
Veteran suicide can be massively helped with psilosibin and ketamine therapy, things that I hope RFK Jr will implement quickly.
- bdangubic 2y ago
  yea, if you watched / listened / observed / ... RFK Jr you can definitely conclude that he is ALL ABOUT drugs and more drugs... :)
  - jajko 2y ago
    I presume you guys mean the man, when he was still a boy, frequently tortured his pets to death? Even his own family was openly disgusted by him. That's really a leader into healthy lifestyle, not sure for whom though
KingOfCoders 2y ago
The plan is to have no government agencies at all, but to have private companies run everything, like jokingly in this Fry and Laurie sketch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLfghLQE3F4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLfghLQE3F4
redeux 2y ago
Vets aren’t as conservative as you might think and they’re a vulnerable population without a strong collective voice. The vets that actually have a voice were usually officers who showed little empathy for the rank and file to begin with, so why would they now?
- deleted 2y ago
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- mystraline 2y ago
  65% of veterans voted for trump. They voted for this. Sounds like they chose their destiny, to die in a gutter homeless and no medical care. And with other public benefit cuts, low/no food stamps, delayed or stopped social security. Its hard for me to actually care. They knew the debacle and hate, and they voted for it.

lenerdenator 2y ago

"Government doesn't work. Here, we'll prove it." Ever since Reagan said "I think you all know that I've always felt the nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help." there's been a cadre of monied business interests who want to replace all government with "private" services, basically making themselves the new royal families of the US.

hello_moto 2y ago
> the nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help That pretty much sums up the difference between USA vs the rest of Western countries. In the US, People are protecting themselves from their own Government. Other Western Countries, The Government is there to protect the people (and the people understand this).
- jakeogh 2y ago
  ... until they outlaw silent prayer?
  - lenerdenator 2y ago
    Seems hard to enforce, no?
    - TimorousBestie 2y ago
      I imagine grandparent is referring to an incident in the UK where a man was arrested for “silently praying.” The additional context is that he was in a legally mandated exclusion zone around an abortion clinic. It’s become a meme (sans context of course) in conservative circles since Vance recently reiterated it. Never mind that the US uses such free speech exclusion zones frequently. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/christian-bournemouth-christchurch-uk-parliament-army-b2631603.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/christian-bourne...
  - hello_moto 2y ago
    Man you need to share the whole story not just cuts here and there for narratives. Do better.
jorblumesea 2y ago
In this case it's directly firing your voter base. It's the same with medicaid, social security and other cut proposals. Tariffs also. People care the most about their own wallet and income. The policies have no indirection or subtlety.

unsnap_biceps 2y ago

It really seems like that a large number of politicians no longer seem to think that their actions will impact future voting. And I mean this on both sides, there's a lot of inaction on the D side. I wonder if popularism has just broken our electorate where they're convinced everyone is going to vote the way they are going to vote regardless of who they're voting for and thus there's no need to actually represent their constituents anymore.

DrillShopper 2y ago
> there's a lot of inaction on the D side Not true - I've gotten five fundraising texts today. Now effective action? Not wrong.
Y_Y 2y ago
What future?
scarface_74 2y ago
If you are in a safe Republican district and you probably are because of gerrymandering, your concern is not losing to a Democrat, it’s being primaried by a Trump endorsed Republican funded by Musk where he also uses X as a bully pulpit. The main things that many Trump supporters care about is fighting for “American culture”, trying to stymie it from becoming a minority majority company, those evil trans people using the wrong bathroom, immigrants bringing diseases and crime and woke something or other.

techpineapple 2y ago

I sort of have to hand it to republicans, I am impressed by their commitment to slash spending even in the face of hurting their own constituents, like at least they're consistent. On the other hand, it's amazing that people seem to hear "Republicans will make the Government better" Rather than "Republicans will slash and burn the Government regardless of who it hurts" even when they're not particularly quiet about it.

blindriver 2y ago

Veteran suicide can be massively helped with psilosibin and ketamine therapy, things that I hope RFK Jr will implement quickly.

bdangubic 2y ago
yea, if you watched / listened / observed / ... RFK Jr you can definitely conclude that he is ALL ABOUT drugs and more drugs... :)
- jajko 2y ago
  I presume you guys mean the man, when he was still a boy, frequently tortured his pets to death? Even his own family was openly disgusted by him. That's really a leader into healthy lifestyle, not sure for whom though

KingOfCoders 2y ago

The plan is to have no government agencies at all, but to have private companies run everything, like jokingly in this Fry and Laurie sketch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLfghLQE3F4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLfghLQE3F4

redeux 2y ago

Vets aren’t as conservative as you might think and they’re a vulnerable population without a strong collective voice. The vets that actually have a voice were usually officers who showed little empathy for the rank and file to begin with, so why would they now?

deleted 2y ago
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mystraline 2y ago
65% of veterans voted for trump. They voted for this. Sounds like they chose their destiny, to die in a gutter homeless and no medical care. And with other public benefit cuts, low/no food stamps, delayed or stopped social security. Its hard for me to actually care. They knew the debacle and hate, and they voted for it.