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I'm in another, bizarre camp. I'd pay double whatever they're charging for if I could run linux on it utilizing all of the hardware. Also, if notch went away, b

I'm in another, bizarre camp. I'd pay double whatever they're charging for if I could run linux on it utilizing all of the hardware. Also, if notch went away, but that's another story. Unless someone knows of laptop hardware that comes close to both performance, comfort, and battery which can run linux.

petesergeant 2y ago
Oddly enough I'd probably accept a much cheaper, shittier laptop if it ran OS X, but, I've been all-in on Apple hardware since 2006, so maybe I don't understand how bad the non-Apple laptops really are. Conceptually I'd be fine with Linux on the desktop -- hell I used to use OpenBSD as a daily driver -- but OS X is in my veins now.
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  Hackintosh
chippiewill 2y ago
You really don't notice the notch on the macbooks, I can't even see it normally. Might be different on a Linux DE though.
vvillena 2y ago
You can make the notch go away with third-party apps. On the Pro laptops the screen has miniLED backlighting, so the dark area stays purely black. Removing the notch this way leaves you with a 16:10 screen, so you still have more screen real state than in most other laptops.
- Kerrick 2y ago
  Yep, it's not a notch cut into your available space. It's "wings" of extra pixels taking up what would otherwise be unused space.
  - russelg 2y ago
    This point is normally conveniently ignored by notch detractors.
  - mrheosuper 2y ago
    no, it cuts into your available space, because every other premium laptop makes use of that space
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - _2d30 2y ago
      Where do they put the camera?
- achandlerwhite 2y ago
  don't even need third party apps -- just pick a 16:10 resolution and the menu bar will shift down.
Tteriffic 2y ago
The notch was a big reason I was reluctant to upgrade from my M1 Air. But I hardly notice it. Only when it splits the menu bar items.
sfcl33t 2y ago
I used Asahi on my company's M2 MacBook pro and it was incredibly nice. Had to return the laptop to them and Asahi is not supported on m3+...
usefulcat 2y ago
The notch has gone away, at least as of Sonoma on a 15" M3 Air, but at the cost of some real estate at the top of the screen. Basically they just don't draw anything at or above the lower edge of the notch, so it looks like the screen ends there even when it doesn't. I actually wanted to get the notch back so I could have as much vertical screen real estate as possible and was disappointed to find that there doesn't appear to be any reliable way of doing this.
- adastra22 2y ago
  I have exactly that setup, and I see a notch. Are we talking about something different?
- rafram 2y ago
  It sounds like you've changed your screen resolution to a 16:10 aspect ratio: https://www.reddit.com/r/mac/comments/17j5zo5/i_think_ive_found_the_best_way_to_remove_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/mac/comments/17j5zo5/i_think_ive_fo... The notch is definitely still there by default.
  - usefulcat 2y ago
    No, from the time I bought it last year I never changed the resolution until I noticed the notch was gone and was trying to get it back, but to no avail. I also don't have anything unusual installed, definitely nothing display-related. It's pretty much as I received it from Apple, modulo whatever updates have been released since then. Currently it's set to 1710 x 1107, which is labeled "Default", and no notch. When I look closely at the right angle I can clearly see the notch dipping into the screen, but the OS does not use any of the area to either side of the notch--it's completely dark there. Just now I ticked "Show all resolutions" and tried at least a dozen other available resolutions and none of them use the screen above the notch bottom. Sonoma 14.6.1, 15" M3 Air.
    - rafram 2y ago
      OK, I have no idea what setting you could have set, but this is not stock behavior on any MacBook with a notch.
fenced_load 2y ago
xps 13? Comes with linux and has comparable battery to m3 (at least on windows). This review says it beats M3 by 2 hours: https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/dell-xps-13-9350-review https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/dell-xps-13-9350-review

petesergeant 2y ago

Oddly enough I'd probably accept a much cheaper, shittier laptop if it ran OS X, but, I've been all-in on Apple hardware since 2006, so maybe I don't understand how bad the non-Apple laptops really are. Conceptually I'd be fine with Linux on the desktop -- hell I used to use OpenBSD as a daily driver -- but OS X is in my veins now.

carlosjobim 2y ago
Hackintosh

chippiewill 2y ago

You really don't notice the notch on the macbooks, I can't even see it normally. Might be different on a Linux DE though.

vvillena 2y ago

You can make the notch go away with third-party apps. On the Pro laptops the screen has miniLED backlighting, so the dark area stays purely black. Removing the notch this way leaves you with a 16:10 screen, so you still have more screen real state than in most other laptops.

Kerrick 2y ago
Yep, it's not a notch cut into your available space. It's "wings" of extra pixels taking up what would otherwise be unused space.
- russelg 2y ago
  This point is normally conveniently ignored by notch detractors.
- mrheosuper 2y ago
  no, it cuts into your available space, because every other premium laptop makes use of that space
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - _2d30 2y ago
    Where do they put the camera?
achandlerwhite 2y ago
don't even need third party apps -- just pick a 16:10 resolution and the menu bar will shift down.

Tteriffic 2y ago

The notch was a big reason I was reluctant to upgrade from my M1 Air. But I hardly notice it. Only when it splits the menu bar items.

sfcl33t 2y ago

I used Asahi on my company's M2 MacBook pro and it was incredibly nice. Had to return the laptop to them and Asahi is not supported on m3+...

usefulcat 2y ago

The notch has gone away, at least as of Sonoma on a 15" M3 Air, but at the cost of some real estate at the top of the screen. Basically they just don't draw anything at or above the lower edge of the notch, so it looks like the screen ends there even when it doesn't. I actually wanted to get the notch back so I could have as much vertical screen real estate as possible and was disappointed to find that there doesn't appear to be any reliable way of doing this.

adastra22 2y ago
I have exactly that setup, and I see a notch. Are we talking about something different?
rafram 2y ago
It sounds like you've changed your screen resolution to a 16:10 aspect ratio: https://www.reddit.com/r/mac/comments/17j5zo5/i_think_ive_found_the_best_way_to_remove_the/ https://www.reddit.com/r/mac/comments/17j5zo5/i_think_ive_fo... The notch is definitely still there by default.
- usefulcat 2y ago
  No, from the time I bought it last year I never changed the resolution until I noticed the notch was gone and was trying to get it back, but to no avail. I also don't have anything unusual installed, definitely nothing display-related. It's pretty much as I received it from Apple, modulo whatever updates have been released since then. Currently it's set to 1710 x 1107, which is labeled "Default", and no notch. When I look closely at the right angle I can clearly see the notch dipping into the screen, but the OS does not use any of the area to either side of the notch--it's completely dark there. Just now I ticked "Show all resolutions" and tried at least a dozen other available resolutions and none of them use the screen above the notch bottom. Sonoma 14.6.1, 15" M3 Air.
  - rafram 2y ago
    OK, I have no idea what setting you could have set, but this is not stock behavior on any MacBook with a notch.

fenced_load 2y ago

xps 13? Comes with linux and has comparable battery to m3 (at least on windows). This review says it beats M3 by 2 hours: https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/dell-xps-13-9350-review https://www.tomshardware.com/laptops/dell-xps-13-9350-review