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> but where are the Democrats? Voted out of power.

unethical_ban 2y ago
They should be organizing in person meetings, having weekly fireside chats, calling for strikes and protests, something concrete that shows the country what they're doing and helping us the people participate, even if performatively at first. Protest and in person meetings are a morale boost. Tbf I need to follow AOC and Sanders on social media and stay more in tune.
- walls 2y ago
  The majority of the US is fine with what's happening. The sooner you accept that, the easier it is to let go.
  - unethical_ban 2y ago
    I can't tell if you're a nihilist or a Trumpian, but "letting go" is not how long-term battles are won.
    - walls 2y ago
      There's little point fighting for something that no longer exists. Unfortunately, this is America now.
      - dragontamer 2y ago
        The winds of politics change. People can, and will be, convinced as reality smacks them. It takes longer than expected but reality can never be perpetually denied by everyone. The key for now is for Democrats to avoid the blame of the obvious problems coming up. Democrats cannot afford to be blamed by the upcoming Government Debt, Funding, Tax changes or possible shutdown. Protests run the risk of drawing attention back to the Democrats and rallying MAGA to a shared enemy. I don't think that works. It seems like a reasonable political strategy to see how far Trump's team is willing to wreck the economy on their own. The goal is to have MAGA split. We all know they have a different set of ideologies and are only unified in their hate of liberals. As the debt balloons due to tax cuts, as Ukraine falls due to Trump's clearance, as TechBros cozy up to China and as wealth transfers to Bitcoin in the largest display of corruption of recent years, people will notice that MAGAs biggest enemies are fellow MAGAs.
      - AlecSchueler 2y ago
        Why was there ever a second election? Why not just do it once after the revolution and accept the reality you got? In fact why have the revolution to begin with, why not accept the reality of life under British rule?
        blibble 2y ago
        > In fact why have the revolution to begin with, why not accept the reality of life under British rule? that 9% tax on foreign imports of tea? but today's King has imposed taxes of 25% on foreign imports, but no-one's chucking cars into boston harbour the US King is also far, far more powerful than George III ever was, as the 1688 Bill of Rights ended absolute monarchy in Great Britain imagine the horror of the alternate history: the 13 colonies might have ended up like Canada,: slavery banned in 1834, dominion status leading to peaceful independence with workers rights, universal healthcare, mandatory vacations and no daily school shootings
- dragontamer 2y ago
  The opinion of the Democrats is well known. It's not an awareness problem. Its a people didn't come out to vote problem. The truth is that the American people voted for this. Until the American people are convinced that these policies are bad, no amount of meetings or protests will help. Keep the eye on the prize: winning the 2026 midterm election and 2028 Presidential election. What's the best way to convince today's Americans that the policies Trump is pushing will harm the country?
  - mindslight 2y ago
    > The opinion of the Democrats is well known. It's not an awareness problem. > Until the American people are convinced that these policies are bad, no amount of meetings or protests will help You've got that second part a bit backwards still. Until the American people are convinced that the policies of the Democrats (or another party) are themselves good, no amount of meetings or protests will help. For sure, part of that is the negative Republican media machine making its followers think that Democratic reforms they personally rely on (eg "Obamacare") are something different than what they know. But a large part is also that Democratic platform, messaging, and follow-through just doesn't inspire. I'll admit that's a tough nut to crack - things have gotten so far gone it's either sweeping plans that replace self-determinism with government grants ("socialism" if you're willing to steelman that rallying cry), fundamental but abstract things the average voter won't see the point of, or mild reforms that just temporarily increase breathing room while the underlying extractive dynamic catches up.
    - dragontamer 2y ago
      > But a large part is also that Democratic platform, messaging, and follow-through just doesn't inspire. That's a media problem. The bulk of media is squarely on the Republican side right now. A degree of convincing needs to be done to move media heads (Zuckerberg, Bezos maybe???) towards supporting and inspiring other stories. Republicans have a media strategy. Its Macho man and bluster, bullying even. Democrats don't have one. But Democrats don't have powerful unified media heads like the Republicans who can spew out a consistent message.

They should be organizing in person meetings, having weekly fireside chats, calling for strikes and protests, something concrete that shows the country what they're doing and helping us the people participate, even if performatively at first. Protest and in person meetings are a morale boost. Tbf I need to follow AOC and Sanders on social media and stay more in tune.

walls 2y ago
The majority of the US is fine with what's happening. The sooner you accept that, the easier it is to let go.
- unethical_ban 2y ago
  I can't tell if you're a nihilist or a Trumpian, but "letting go" is not how long-term battles are won.
  - walls 2y ago
    There's little point fighting for something that no longer exists. Unfortunately, this is America now.
    - dragontamer 2y ago
      The winds of politics change. People can, and will be, convinced as reality smacks them. It takes longer than expected but reality can never be perpetually denied by everyone. The key for now is for Democrats to avoid the blame of the obvious problems coming up. Democrats cannot afford to be blamed by the upcoming Government Debt, Funding, Tax changes or possible shutdown. Protests run the risk of drawing attention back to the Democrats and rallying MAGA to a shared enemy. I don't think that works. It seems like a reasonable political strategy to see how far Trump's team is willing to wreck the economy on their own. The goal is to have MAGA split. We all know they have a different set of ideologies and are only unified in their hate of liberals. As the debt balloons due to tax cuts, as Ukraine falls due to Trump's clearance, as TechBros cozy up to China and as wealth transfers to Bitcoin in the largest display of corruption of recent years, people will notice that MAGAs biggest enemies are fellow MAGAs.
    - AlecSchueler 2y ago
      Why was there ever a second election? Why not just do it once after the revolution and accept the reality you got? In fact why have the revolution to begin with, why not accept the reality of life under British rule?
      - blibble 2y ago
        > In fact why have the revolution to begin with, why not accept the reality of life under British rule? that 9% tax on foreign imports of tea? but today's King has imposed taxes of 25% on foreign imports, but no-one's chucking cars into boston harbour the US King is also far, far more powerful than George III ever was, as the 1688 Bill of Rights ended absolute monarchy in Great Britain imagine the horror of the alternate history: the 13 colonies might have ended up like Canada,: slavery banned in 1834, dominion status leading to peaceful independence with workers rights, universal healthcare, mandatory vacations and no daily school shootings
dragontamer 2y ago
The opinion of the Democrats is well known. It's not an awareness problem. Its a people didn't come out to vote problem. The truth is that the American people voted for this. Until the American people are convinced that these policies are bad, no amount of meetings or protests will help. Keep the eye on the prize: winning the 2026 midterm election and 2028 Presidential election. What's the best way to convince today's Americans that the policies Trump is pushing will harm the country?
- mindslight 2y ago
  > The opinion of the Democrats is well known. It's not an awareness problem. > Until the American people are convinced that these policies are bad, no amount of meetings or protests will help You've got that second part a bit backwards still. Until the American people are convinced that the policies of the Democrats (or another party) are themselves good, no amount of meetings or protests will help. For sure, part of that is the negative Republican media machine making its followers think that Democratic reforms they personally rely on (eg "Obamacare") are something different than what they know. But a large part is also that Democratic platform, messaging, and follow-through just doesn't inspire. I'll admit that's a tough nut to crack - things have gotten so far gone it's either sweeping plans that replace self-determinism with government grants ("socialism" if you're willing to steelman that rallying cry), fundamental but abstract things the average voter won't see the point of, or mild reforms that just temporarily increase breathing room while the underlying extractive dynamic catches up.
  - dragontamer 2y ago
    > But a large part is also that Democratic platform, messaging, and follow-through just doesn't inspire. That's a media problem. The bulk of media is squarely on the Republican side right now. A degree of convincing needs to be done to move media heads (Zuckerberg, Bezos maybe???) towards supporting and inspiring other stories. Republicans have a media strategy. Its Macho man and bluster, bullying even. Democrats don't have one. But Democrats don't have powerful unified media heads like the Republicans who can spew out a consistent message.