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This is a "we never went to the moon" type of conspiracy, to many things would have to fit perfectly for it to make sense It's much more likely that he his com

This is a "we never went to the moon" type of conspiracy, to many things would have to fit perfectly for it to make sense It's much more likely that he his completely incompetent and inapt, espacially if he gets his advices from Musk and Vance

dredmorbius 2y ago
How does his behaviour in this administration differ markedly from his first? Were Musk and Vance key influencers there? If not, what elements are constant?
- lm28469 2y ago
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1EA2ohrt5Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1EA2ohrt5Q This is what's going on ^, people like you and me cannot agree on anything because whatever happens truth has no value whatsoever, there are two groups of people, being fed two flavors of reality
  - dredmorbius 2y ago
    Sorry, but how does that video (I'm quite familiar with it) explain your argument? For that matter, what is your argument? You're being quite vague.
    - lm28469 2y ago
      Half of the US think trump is saving them, the other half think we're witnessing the end of the republic. Depending on which bubble you live in you get bombarded with information going your way. > How does his behaviour in this administration differ markedly from his first? Was there a government purge during the first term ? Did we have 20 years old non vetted civilians getting access to critical systems ? Did we have the entire tech sector rallying behind trump ? Did we have a foreign billionaire melding with internal politics straight from the oval office ? No, we had an old man selling cans of beans from the oval office: https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5f1091ef3075b61a6e553443/4:3/w_959,h_719,c_limit/Gessen-Goya.jpg https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5f1091ef3075b61a6e553443/... We had people who mistook the "Four Seasons Hotel" with "Four Seasons Total Landscaping": https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ee/Four_Seasons_Total_Landscaping_press_conference.jpeg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ee/Four_Seasons_... It was a clown show with minor influence on the long term direction of the US and the world, it's hardly comparable to what we're witnessing right now.
      - dredmorbius 2y ago
        If you care for a broader view, you can step outside the US media bubble, as I (being of course based on Altair IV) do frequently. The US media supportive of the present administration are a distinct anomaly globally. There were numerous signs of pro-Russian sentiments in the first term, as well as a well-documented set in the Mueller report (see: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report#Conspiracy_or_coordination_vs_collusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report#Conspiracy_or_c...> for an overview), misrepresentations and denials notwithstanding. Your list is grossly deficient and spurious.
      - dredmorbius 2y ago
        And, apparently the video you'd linked ... has nothing at all to do with your argument, as you failed to address my question on that point.
        lm28469 2y ago
        There is a part of the video that is exactly about what we're going through: information overload to the point that most people can't form an opinion, you have your extreme position, I have mine, they're mutually exclusive yet we both think we're right
        dredmorbius 2y ago
        Thanks. That could have been presented far more succinctly than with a meandering interview. And is a topic I'm quite familiar with. Countermeasure: cheap, fast, regret-free rejection: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37440218 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37440218>
      - affinepplan 2y ago
        > Depending on which bubble you live in you get bombarded with information going your way. ok but one of the bubbles lives in reality, and the information bombardment is of things that actually happen. the other bubble is mostly just hateful delusion
affinepplan 2y ago
> too many things would have to fit perfectly for it to make sense things like immediately reversing course on military support for the only country at war with Russia? things like torching relationships with our closest allies we've spent decades, if not centuries building? things like repeatedly and publicly praising Putin? things like both ex-KGB officers and current UK legislators publicly stating the possibility? things like everything in this article? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates... I don't know why you think it's quite so far fetched. it's not a certainty but at this point I would say the preponderance of evidence calls it "likely"
- rayiner 2y ago
  > things like immediately reversing course on military support for the only country at war with Russia America has a tremendous interest in not being at war with the world’s second largest nuclear power. We also have no interest in sacrificing good relations with Russia for the sake of Ukraine.
  - fedsocpuppet 2y ago
    We should definitely go back to the good relations we used to have. Maybe if we're nice to them again they won't be running around with polonium, forcing migrants through Belarus, sending in little green men to their neighbors, and generally trying to destabilize the entire West. They're just misunderstood - it's not a country of thugs, they just want to live in peace and pump oil. Hey maybe if we have good relations we'll even be able to benefit from their recent invaluable contributions to science and technology.
    - rayiner 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - fedsocpuppet 2y ago
        That was bad, and this is bad. Iraq was bad, and this is bad. Brilliant. We should care because it's an easy way to make friends and remain the most powerful country in the world. Well, was easy, when you could trust the US to not change their tariffs on you every three days. Art of the deal!

dredmorbius 2y ago

How does his behaviour in this administration differ markedly from his first? Were Musk and Vance key influencers there? If not, what elements are constant?

lm28469 2y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1EA2ohrt5Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1EA2ohrt5Q This is what's going on ^, people like you and me cannot agree on anything because whatever happens truth has no value whatsoever, there are two groups of people, being fed two flavors of reality
- dredmorbius 2y ago
  Sorry, but how does that video (I'm quite familiar with it) explain your argument? For that matter, what is your argument? You're being quite vague.
  - lm28469 2y ago
    Half of the US think trump is saving them, the other half think we're witnessing the end of the republic. Depending on which bubble you live in you get bombarded with information going your way. > How does his behaviour in this administration differ markedly from his first? Was there a government purge during the first term ? Did we have 20 years old non vetted civilians getting access to critical systems ? Did we have the entire tech sector rallying behind trump ? Did we have a foreign billionaire melding with internal politics straight from the oval office ? No, we had an old man selling cans of beans from the oval office: https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5f1091ef3075b61a6e553443/4:3/w_959,h_719,c_limit/Gessen-Goya.jpg https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5f1091ef3075b61a6e553443/... We had people who mistook the "Four Seasons Hotel" with "Four Seasons Total Landscaping": https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ee/Four_Seasons_Total_Landscaping_press_conference.jpeg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ee/Four_Seasons_... It was a clown show with minor influence on the long term direction of the US and the world, it's hardly comparable to what we're witnessing right now.
    - dredmorbius 2y ago
      If you care for a broader view, you can step outside the US media bubble, as I (being of course based on Altair IV) do frequently. The US media supportive of the present administration are a distinct anomaly globally. There were numerous signs of pro-Russian sentiments in the first term, as well as a well-documented set in the Mueller report (see: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report#Conspiracy_or_coordination_vs_collusion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mueller_report#Conspiracy_or_c...> for an overview), misrepresentations and denials notwithstanding. Your list is grossly deficient and spurious.
    - dredmorbius 2y ago
      And, apparently the video you'd linked ... has nothing at all to do with your argument, as you failed to address my question on that point.
      - lm28469 2y ago
        There is a part of the video that is exactly about what we're going through: information overload to the point that most people can't form an opinion, you have your extreme position, I have mine, they're mutually exclusive yet we both think we're right
        dredmorbius 2y ago
        Thanks. That could have been presented far more succinctly than with a meandering interview. And is a topic I'm quite familiar with. Countermeasure: cheap, fast, regret-free rejection: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37440218 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37440218>
    - affinepplan 2y ago
      > Depending on which bubble you live in you get bombarded with information going your way. ok but one of the bubbles lives in reality, and the information bombardment is of things that actually happen. the other bubble is mostly just hateful delusion

affinepplan 2y ago

> too many things would have to fit perfectly for it to make sense things like immediately reversing course on military support for the only country at war with Russia? things like torching relationships with our closest allies we've spent decades, if not centuries building? things like repeatedly and publicly praising Putin? things like both ex-KGB officers and current UK legislators publicly stating the possibility? things like everything in this article? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates... I don't know why you think it's quite so far fetched. it's not a certainty but at this point I would say the preponderance of evidence calls it "likely"

rayiner 2y ago
> things like immediately reversing course on military support for the only country at war with Russia America has a tremendous interest in not being at war with the world’s second largest nuclear power. We also have no interest in sacrificing good relations with Russia for the sake of Ukraine.
- fedsocpuppet 2y ago
  We should definitely go back to the good relations we used to have. Maybe if we're nice to them again they won't be running around with polonium, forcing migrants through Belarus, sending in little green men to their neighbors, and generally trying to destabilize the entire West. They're just misunderstood - it's not a country of thugs, they just want to live in peace and pump oil. Hey maybe if we have good relations we'll even be able to benefit from their recent invaluable contributions to science and technology.
  - rayiner 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - fedsocpuppet 2y ago
      That was bad, and this is bad. Iraq was bad, and this is bad. Brilliant. We should care because it's an easy way to make friends and remain the most powerful country in the world. Well, was easy, when you could trust the US to not change their tariffs on you every three days. Art of the deal!