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Those videos are amplified by russian bots, but it doesn't make them any less true. A lot of Russian men did flee, but they no longer conscript, while Ukraine s

Those videos are amplified by russian bots, but it doesn't make them any less true. A lot of Russian men did flee, but they no longer conscript, while Ukraine still does. And Ukraine forces men into vans to send them to the frontlines. Russia just keeps increasing the pay. Ukraine had to close borders to men because so many were trying to flee. Millions of Ukrainians sought refuge throughout Europe.

libertine 2y ago
> Those videos are amplified by russian bots, but it doesn't make them any less true. I never said they ain't true, as I said - not everyone wants to be in a war, and this happens literally in every war. I just pointed out that in the case of Russia it occurred in an unprecedented manner, while what happens in Ukraine is what's more in line with war. > A lot of Russian men did flee, but they no longer conscript, while Ukraine still does. Conscription would probably lead to the final collapse of the Russian economy, they are resorting to the misery of the population which are joining the war with entrepreneurial ambitions (getting well paid... which is a sad event given the high interest rates and inflation). Russia hasn't declared war, and probably never will as that would be a threat to the regime. > Ukraine had to close borders to men because so many were trying to flee. Millions of Ukrainians sought refuge throughout Europe. Like in any country being invaded with Martial Law in place.
- arandomusername 2y ago
  Ukrainian bots amplify pro-Ukrainian narratives, NATO bots amplify pro-NATO narratives, Russian bots amplify pro-Russian narratives. Every country participates in propaganda. > I just pointed out that in the case of Russia it occurred in an unprecedented manner, while what happens in Ukraine is what's more in line with war. Russia did not kidnap man from the streets to force to the frontline, at least not that I'm aware of, and certainly not in the numbers that Ukraine does. Conscription happens in wars, but forcing men off the street to go to the frontline? > Conscription would probably lead to the final collapse of the Russian economy I've been hearing that Russian's economy is on the brink of collapse for the last three years. It's awful compared to the West, but they have transitioned into war-fueled economy well, and are still doing well enough despite the war and all the sanctions. > Like in any country being invaded with Martial Law in place. So same like Russia? Men want to flee from getting conscripted.
  - mopsi 2y ago
    In a coordinated operation, Russian authorities conducted raids on three of Moscow’s largest and most popular nightclubs on Friday night, detaining hundreds of men and taking them to military conscription offices. According to witnesses, dozens of police vehicles, including paddy wagons, lined up outside the nightclubs as enforcement personnel, accompanied by police K9 units, systematically entered the establishments. Clubgoers described the scene as chaotic, with people being escorted out in groups. The authorities focused their efforts on male patrons, detaining many of them and subsequently transporting them to local military conscription offices. Women, on the other hand, were eventually released after their passports were photographed. One attendee, who wished to remain anonymous, described the atmosphere inside as tense and surreal. “It was like nothing I’ve ever experienced. They came in and started checking IDs, taking the men away without much explanation. The music stopped, and everyone just froze,” the witness said. Video from the raid: https://www.threads.net/@opium_hum/post/DDANoVHsojO https://www.threads.net/@opium_hum/post/DDANoVHsojO
    - arandomusername 2y ago
      Any trustworthy source that verifies those men are sent to military conscription offices? I would guess that the video is just another crackdown on LGBTQ, as they have been doing: https://apnews.com/article/russia-lgbtq-crackdown-nightclub-raids-3e18ac20ef7386920a996b66be511ee7 https://apnews.com/article/russia-lgbtq-crackdown-nightclub-...
      - mopsi 2y ago
        One of the issued draft notices: https://t.me/ostorozhno_novosti/31737 https://t.me/ostorozhno_novosti/31737 Most of such stories are on Telegram, another example: https://t.me/akaloy/7128 https://t.me/akaloy/7128 Human rights activists advise young men to live somewhere else than their official address and to avoid public transportation, because raids at metro stations are commonplace, as the local news report: After the beginning of the autumn call, the police regularly conduct raids in which deviators are identified from military service. Security forces come to the hostels for migrants and warehouses in Moscow and the region, as well as check passengers in the subway. Over the past day, the police conducted raids near the metro station “Electrozavodsk”, and also presented 26 subpoenas to the army in the Krasnogorsk hostel. Auto-translated from: https://msk1.ru/text/incidents/2024/11/01/74285744/ https://msk1.ru/text/incidents/2024/11/01/74285744/
mopsi 2y ago
> And Ukraine forces men into vans to send them to the frontlines. Russia just keeps increasing the pay. It would be honest of you to mention the flood of videos on Russian social media showing crippled Russian soldiers on crutches dragged into trucks, driven to the frontline, and forced to attack. Some of them are featured here: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/22/europe/russia-wounded-troops-frontline-latam-intl/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/22/europe/russia-wounded-tro... And this is how they end up, absolutely incredible sight, one "attacking" on crutches, the other next to him crawling on all fours: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CQcftiP3jQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CQcftiP3jQ I have not seen anything this wild on the Ukrainian side.

libertine 2y ago

> Those videos are amplified by russian bots, but it doesn't make them any less true. I never said they ain't true, as I said - not everyone wants to be in a war, and this happens literally in every war. I just pointed out that in the case of Russia it occurred in an unprecedented manner, while what happens in Ukraine is what's more in line with war. > A lot of Russian men did flee, but they no longer conscript, while Ukraine still does. Conscription would probably lead to the final collapse of the Russian economy, they are resorting to the misery of the population which are joining the war with entrepreneurial ambitions (getting well paid... which is a sad event given the high interest rates and inflation). Russia hasn't declared war, and probably never will as that would be a threat to the regime. > Ukraine had to close borders to men because so many were trying to flee. Millions of Ukrainians sought refuge throughout Europe. Like in any country being invaded with Martial Law in place.

arandomusername 2y ago
Ukrainian bots amplify pro-Ukrainian narratives, NATO bots amplify pro-NATO narratives, Russian bots amplify pro-Russian narratives. Every country participates in propaganda. > I just pointed out that in the case of Russia it occurred in an unprecedented manner, while what happens in Ukraine is what's more in line with war. Russia did not kidnap man from the streets to force to the frontline, at least not that I'm aware of, and certainly not in the numbers that Ukraine does. Conscription happens in wars, but forcing men off the street to go to the frontline? > Conscription would probably lead to the final collapse of the Russian economy I've been hearing that Russian's economy is on the brink of collapse for the last three years. It's awful compared to the West, but they have transitioned into war-fueled economy well, and are still doing well enough despite the war and all the sanctions. > Like in any country being invaded with Martial Law in place. So same like Russia? Men want to flee from getting conscripted.
- mopsi 2y ago
  In a coordinated operation, Russian authorities conducted raids on three of Moscow’s largest and most popular nightclubs on Friday night, detaining hundreds of men and taking them to military conscription offices. According to witnesses, dozens of police vehicles, including paddy wagons, lined up outside the nightclubs as enforcement personnel, accompanied by police K9 units, systematically entered the establishments. Clubgoers described the scene as chaotic, with people being escorted out in groups. The authorities focused their efforts on male patrons, detaining many of them and subsequently transporting them to local military conscription offices. Women, on the other hand, were eventually released after their passports were photographed. One attendee, who wished to remain anonymous, described the atmosphere inside as tense and surreal. “It was like nothing I’ve ever experienced. They came in and started checking IDs, taking the men away without much explanation. The music stopped, and everyone just froze,” the witness said. Video from the raid: https://www.threads.net/@opium_hum/post/DDANoVHsojO https://www.threads.net/@opium_hum/post/DDANoVHsojO
  - arandomusername 2y ago
    Any trustworthy source that verifies those men are sent to military conscription offices? I would guess that the video is just another crackdown on LGBTQ, as they have been doing: https://apnews.com/article/russia-lgbtq-crackdown-nightclub-raids-3e18ac20ef7386920a996b66be511ee7 https://apnews.com/article/russia-lgbtq-crackdown-nightclub-...
    - mopsi 2y ago
      One of the issued draft notices: https://t.me/ostorozhno_novosti/31737 https://t.me/ostorozhno_novosti/31737 Most of such stories are on Telegram, another example: https://t.me/akaloy/7128 https://t.me/akaloy/7128 Human rights activists advise young men to live somewhere else than their official address and to avoid public transportation, because raids at metro stations are commonplace, as the local news report: After the beginning of the autumn call, the police regularly conduct raids in which deviators are identified from military service. Security forces come to the hostels for migrants and warehouses in Moscow and the region, as well as check passengers in the subway. Over the past day, the police conducted raids near the metro station “Electrozavodsk”, and also presented 26 subpoenas to the army in the Krasnogorsk hostel. Auto-translated from: https://msk1.ru/text/incidents/2024/11/01/74285744/ https://msk1.ru/text/incidents/2024/11/01/74285744/

mopsi 2y ago

> And Ukraine forces men into vans to send them to the frontlines. Russia just keeps increasing the pay. It would be honest of you to mention the flood of videos on Russian social media showing crippled Russian soldiers on crutches dragged into trucks, driven to the frontline, and forced to attack. Some of them are featured here: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/22/europe/russia-wounded-troops-frontline-latam-intl/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/22/europe/russia-wounded-tro... And this is how they end up, absolutely incredible sight, one "attacking" on crutches, the other next to him crawling on all fours: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CQcftiP3jQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2CQcftiP3jQ I have not seen anything this wild on the Ukrainian side.