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US cuts off intelligence sharing with Ukraine
- mraniki 2y agoArchive https://archive.is/2025.03.05-132939/https://www.ft.com/content/c58fccea-00c4-4fad-bc0a-0185b7415579 https://archive.is/2025.03.05-132939/https://www.ft.com/cont...
- tiahura 2y agoEurope has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence therefore it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations & collisions of her friendships, or enmities. Why, by interweaving our destiny with that of any part of Europe, entangle our peace and prosperity in the toils of European ambition, Rivalship, Interest, Humour or Caprice?
- eldgfipo 2y agoThe Biden/Obama administration and Europe both have their responsibility in alienating Russia. The current administration simply wants to wash its hand off of it as if their was no continuity between Trump America and Democratic America. Now the US words are meaningless.
- bell-cot 2y agoWords and talk are always cheap. But you seem to regard "Was Alienated by Somebody" status as license to ignore treaties and start wars. Might that same standard apply, when you don't happen to favor the aggressor over the victim?
- myvoiceismypass 2y agoBiden/Obama and Europe are responsible for Putin invading Ukraine?
- vaidhy 2y agoYes, if you are willing to believe Jeffery Sachs, John Mershiemer (sp?), and a large number of people.. They believe Russia was provoked into the war.
- mopsi 2y agoThey are a tiny fringe minority that gets humiliated whenever they try to debate actual experts. Here's Mearsheimer getting smacked down in front of a live audience by the Polish foreign minister: https://youtu.be/ivcSVG5eCeQ?t=2100 https://youtu.be/ivcSVG5eCeQ?t=2100
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- Jeremy1026 2y agoThe entire globe is intertwined. Conflict anywhere has the very real possibility of becoming conflict everywhere. It's in every countries best interest to do what they can to maintain peace, no matter how far away from home that peace is.
- regularization 2y ago> It's in every countries best interest to do what they can to maintain peace, no matter how far away from home that peace is. How did Victoria Nuland handing out cookies in Maidan Square as a mob overthrew the Ukraine's elected government contribute to peace?
- matthewdgreen 2y agoI didn't know who that person was, so I had to go look it up. What turned up was a veritable fountain of weird foreign propaganda. Apparently a woman gave out cookies and now bots are here on HN.
- throwaway48476 2y agoI think I heard of this before. I've seen the bots say the cookies were poisoned with democracy. Hilarious
- regularization 2y agoTrump was elected to do this, so I guess "bots" means the majority of Americans who elected him. He is also surrounded by Silicon Valley money people who support this. Also tech workers who don't want neocon forever wars. (I voted not for Trump but for Jill Stein, who agreed with some of Trump's positions on the Ukraine)
- Mr_Bees69 2y agoThe Ukraine? The tzar's been dead for a while lol.
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- Mr_Bees69 2y agoFor if America maintains the defense of Europe, she gains influence upon European decision making. Our former hegemony was built upon our role as America, defender of peace and fighter for liberty. Europe's health care is built upon subsidization by American defense. That is a source of power.
- throwaway48476 2y agoUkraine is acting as a buffer state which prevents the inevitable nuclear confrontation between Russia and the nuclear armed states in Europe. Any nuclear issue will always become a global issue. The oceans protect the US from russias military, but not its missiles.
- verdverm 2y agoASML is European, without which, we would not have the chips in our computers. What if Europe sanctions the US? How many vital resources would we lose? The world is far more codependent than you realize
- amenhotep 2y agoThe present reign of terror and international lawlessness began a few years ago. It began through unjustified interference in the internal affairs of other nations or the invasion of alien territory in violation of treaties and has now reached a stage where the very foundations of civilization are seriously threatened. The landmarks and traditions which have marked the progress of civilization toward a condition of law, order, and justice are being wiped away. Without a declaration of war and without warning or justification of any kind civilians, including women and children are being ruthlessly murdered with bombs from the air. In times of so-called peace, ships are being attacked and sunk by submarines without cause or notice. Nations are fomenting and taking sides in civil warfare in nations that have never done them any harm. Nations claiming freedom for themselves deny it to others. Innocent peoples and nations are being cruelly sacrificed to a greed for power and supremacy which is devoid of all sense of justice and humane consideration. To paraphrase a recent author, "perhaps we foresee a time when men, exultant in the technique of homicide, will rage so hotly over the world that every precious thing will be in danger, every book and picture and harmony, every treasure garnered through two millenniums, the small, the delicate, the defenseless-all will be lost or wrecked or utterly destroyed." If those things come to pass in other parts of the world, let no one imagine that America will escape, that it may expect mercy, that this Western Hemisphere will not be attacked, and that it will continue tranquilly and peacefully to carry on the ethics and the arts of civilization. If those days come, "there will be no safety by arms, no help from authority, no answer in science. The storm will rage till every flower of culture is trampled and all human beings are leveled in a vast chaos." If those days are not to come to pass- if we are to have a world in which we can breathe freely and live in amity without fear-the peace-loving nations must make a concerted effort to uphold laws and principles on which alone peace can rest secure. The peace-loving nations must make a concerted effort in opposition to those violations of treaties and those ignorings of humane instincts which today are creating a state of international anarchy and instability from which there is no escape through mere isolation or neutrality.
- Erem 2y agoThe old timey grammatical construction makes me ask — is this a quote from the disgraced America First Committee, who fought tooth and nail against American involvement in WW2?
- _DeadFred_ 2y agoHey I remember when I thought like this. So what I did was use NextDNS and block every website that was invoking emotional reactions in me for 6 months. Then after 6 months I went back and looked at 'the current thing' they were pushing emotionally. And it was all idiotic because I hadn't been there as they hyped their weak justification/manufactured outrage. Then I re-started from the ground up re-building my positions. 'Europe keeps to defence policy United States setup post WW2' stopped enraging me about 'European freeloaders' when I stopped consuming manufactured outrage infomercials voluntarily. Huge FU shoutout to Instapundit who I followed post 9/11 and took advantage of that!
- toomuchtodo 2y agoIs this a matter of replacing remote sensing with a commercial provider?
- throwaway48476 2y agoNo. The US has tens of thousands employed who look at IMINT for analysis and an automated workflow.
- toomuchtodo 2y agoAny references you would recommend where I can learn more about this specific system?
- throwaway48476 2y agoIts not just one system and it's all classified. But you can look into the NRO and DIA. The headcount is possibly public. Early in the war some of the provided intelligence leaked and it was just a list of the coordinates of every Russian SAM system in ukraine updated daily.
- belter 2y agoThe intelligence feed will now be switched to another customer. Oh America what have you done.
- nisa 2y agoWatching this unfolding over the last weeks from Europe feels like a bad fever dream. The thing that scares me personally the most is not that the USA under Trump is telling Europe to care for their own security. That's expected and a talking point for many years and Europe sure did little to prepare for that. What's scaring me is it sure looks like the USA is in a process of self-destruction that seems to result in them badly harming themselves. Any amount of soft-power over Europe is gone. It sure looked like the whole of Europe is happily migrating into USA clouds and USA brands will have growing percentage in cars and other goods. A big chunk of Europe military spending was going to the USA. F35 sold like hot bread. Frankly I have no rational explanations for the tariffs for Canada and Mexico, neither do the experts here on local media. More is likely to come. I'd like to put the all the KGB asset conspiracy talk away but with every day and with every headline I'm scratching my head and I don't see how this benefits the USA. Russia won't honour it. Actually if all is destroyed and Trump is gone I expect some final humiliation from Putin. I just don't see how aligning with Russia is of longterm strategic interest to the USA. But maybe I'm missing something?
- unethical_ban 2y agoIt feels like a fever dream here, too. Even if MAGA is removed from power in 2-4 years, our credibility in the world is destroyed for a generation. There is so much hopelessness from my friends. What can we do? We're kind of waiting for some national movement to take hold, but where are the Democrats? Where are the calls for a national day to strike and protest? Why are we treating this like normal politics?
- NicoJuicy 2y ago> There is so much hopelessness from my friends. That's how a dictatorship works. People need to be hopeless and don't trust politics anymore and give up. Don't. They will make your life a bit more miserable every week untill you have to wait weeks in line to feed your kids ( => communism)
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- thebruce87m 2y ago> the US has also formally blocked its allies from sharing US intelligence with Ukraine Terrifying.
- akudha 2y agoJust curious, how does this work in practice? How is it enforced? How would they know if someone is sharing intelligence or not?
- dragonwriter 2y agoThe US spies on everyone, including its allies, and the until-recently-friends that it prohibits sharing with.
- AnimalMuppet 2y agoWhy terrifying? If the US isn't sharing directly, US allies don't get to be the back door for the same US intel to get somewhere.
- thebruce87m 2y agoFor a start it shows that the intel is still happening, so it’s not a cost-cutting exercise, it’s a choice to not share when they could. Why would you blind Ukraine, one of your allies to the advantage of your enemy? Next, your other allies may be getting matching data from other sources so it puts them in a position of running foul of the ban in the eyes of the US when they didn’t. We’ve seen how this administration treats its allies, and how trump reacts when he thinks he’s been slighted. The situation is precarious to say the least.
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- greatgib 2y agoI hope that other countries including the five eyes will also stop sharing intel with US...
- ChrisArchitect 2y ago[dupe] More discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43266387 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43266387
- iteratethis 2y agoI want to paint a picture of what type of "ally" the US is in normal circumstances, from a Dutch perspective. A superpower versus a speckle of a country. The growth of our biggest airport had to be capped for various reasons. That means less landing rights. So we go airline by airline and inform them they can land 5% less. They were all frustrated but understood the pain had to be shared. Not for the US though. Mere hours after the first American airline was informed, Biden's Washington was on the line: cap any landing rights of any American airline and no Dutch plane will ever land on US soil again. Similar: repeated visits of US representatives coming to tell us exactly which ASML machine can be exported to where and expecting immediate compliance. Even if you agree with the reasons, the arrogance is striking as is the neglect in considering the costs to the business. We host the international court of justice. But the US doesn't care, it doesn't acknowledge it. The point of all these examples is that the US treats allies like shit even before Trump. There's no regard at all for the other side, it's power-play and dominance and rules not applying to the US. The relationship doesn't persist out of friendship, mutual respect or "shared values". It persists because in the bigger picture it is probably still economically beneficial as alternatives are worse. As the Dutch say, the difference between being bitten by a dog or a cat. The US as the leader of the free world is the very opposite of that as it comes to values. It's cruel and selfish to its "friends". That was the status quo and thing are obviously infinitely worse now. I wish it was different. We should move towards each other and build a Super West. America First means Europe First means Canada First and so on. Everybody suffers.
- belter 2y ago"We Are Fighting Against a Dictator Backed by a Traitor" - https://youtu.be/j51HZncBvEI https://youtu.be/j51HZncBvEI