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So how many drugs are the people who consume the crops now ingesting because of this I wonder ?

by hcfman 2y ago

0_____0 2y ago
From the article: > Many people are, however, concerned about pharmaceutical content in the urine. "It's the biggest question we get," Shupack says. REI has conducted research to find out just how much of common drugs like caffeine and the painkiller acetaminophen are evident in vegetables grown using urine fertiliser. The final results are yet to be released, but the preliminary findings suggest the amount of pharmaceuticals in vegetables fertilised with urine to be "extremely small". "You'd have to eat a pretty obscene amount of lettuce, every day, for way longer than you can live" to get a cup of coffee's worth of caffeine, Shupack says.
- lr4444lr 2y ago
  What about THC (or its metabolites)?
  - LegitShady 2y ago
    my man here is trying to develop the devil's lettuce for real.
- tokai 2y ago
  Caffeine?! I bet people are more worried about cocaine, amphetamine, methamphetamine, ecstasy, ketamine, and THC, which are all found in sewage. To not include SSRIs et. al. and anti psychotics. This is study is European, but still shows the issue: https://www.euda.europa.eu/news/2024/4/latest-wastewater-data-88-european-cities-reveal-cocaine-detections-rise_en https://www.euda.europa.eu/news/2024/4/latest-wastewater-dat...
  - NotGMan 2y ago
    Another huge issue is estrogen from women using birth control pills.
    - appointment 2y ago
      Why is that an issue? I don't think anyone is given mandatory tests for estrogen.
    - gruez 2y ago
      Apparently it's a non issue, see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43268848 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43268848
  - 0_____0 2y ago
    Tbh I'm not at all worried about any of the party drugs you mentioned. If you took 1mg of each of those, at the same time you would feel about the same as you do after a cup of coffee (the amphetamines are relevant at that dose, MDMA/THC/ketamine would be deeply sub-threshold). At the nanogram level? Forget it. There's all kinds of crap in everything we eat, drink, and breathe. Dose makes the poison - there's a big difference between a detectable level of something and a clinically significant amount. You'd be better off improving the ventilation in your house than worrying about whether your lettuce has 1PPT of cocaine metabolite in it. Note that all of the above is about the party drugs. I have no idea about what the deal is with the psychiatric meds and hormones. If anyone has knowledge of whether chronic exposure to extremely small quantities of them and their métabolites has clinical significance I'd be interested to know more. I sort of doubt it, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong
  - Steven420 2y ago
    That's why it's best to grow your own food and compost with your own pee
    - reverendsteveii 2y ago
      that way you get your meth back for free
      - throwaway173738 2y ago
        Scientists call it “the meth cycle.”
forgetfreeman 2y ago
Probably similar to drinking tap or bottled water: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3273502/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3273502/
reverendsteveii 2y ago
if you'd researched instead of wondering you'd know that it's effectively zero

So how many drugs are the people who consume the crops now ingesting because of this I wonder ?

by hcfman 2y ago

So how many drugs are the people who consume the crops now ingesting because of this I wonder ?

From the article: > Many people are, however, concerned about pharmaceutical content in the urine. "It's the biggest question we get," Shupack says. REI has conducted research to find out just how much of common drugs like caffeine and the painkiller acetaminophen are evident in vegetables grown using urine fertiliser. The final results are yet to be released, but the preliminary findings suggest the amount of pharmaceuticals in vegetables fertilised with urine to be "extremely small". "You'd have to eat a pretty obscene amount of lettuce, every day, for way longer than you can live" to get a cup of coffee's worth of caffeine, Shupack says.

lr4444lr 2y ago
What about THC (or its metabolites)?
- LegitShady 2y ago
  my man here is trying to develop the devil's lettuce for real.
tokai 2y ago
Caffeine?! I bet people are more worried about cocaine, amphetamine, methamphetamine, ecstasy, ketamine, and THC, which are all found in sewage. To not include SSRIs et. al. and anti psychotics. This is study is European, but still shows the issue: https://www.euda.europa.eu/news/2024/4/latest-wastewater-data-88-european-cities-reveal-cocaine-detections-rise_en https://www.euda.europa.eu/news/2024/4/latest-wastewater-dat...
- NotGMan 2y ago
  Another huge issue is estrogen from women using birth control pills.
  - appointment 2y ago
    Why is that an issue? I don't think anyone is given mandatory tests for estrogen.
  - gruez 2y ago
    Apparently it's a non issue, see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43268848 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43268848
- 0_____0 2y ago
  Tbh I'm not at all worried about any of the party drugs you mentioned. If you took 1mg of each of those, at the same time you would feel about the same as you do after a cup of coffee (the amphetamines are relevant at that dose, MDMA/THC/ketamine would be deeply sub-threshold). At the nanogram level? Forget it. There's all kinds of crap in everything we eat, drink, and breathe. Dose makes the poison - there's a big difference between a detectable level of something and a clinically significant amount. You'd be better off improving the ventilation in your house than worrying about whether your lettuce has 1PPT of cocaine metabolite in it. Note that all of the above is about the party drugs. I have no idea about what the deal is with the psychiatric meds and hormones. If anyone has knowledge of whether chronic exposure to extremely small quantities of them and their métabolites has clinical significance I'd be interested to know more. I sort of doubt it, but I'd be happy to be proven wrong
- Steven420 2y ago
  That's why it's best to grow your own food and compost with your own pee
  - reverendsteveii 2y ago
    that way you get your meth back for free
    - throwaway173738 2y ago
      Scientists call it “the meth cycle.”

forgetfreeman 2y ago

Probably similar to drinking tap or bottled water: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3273502/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3273502/

reverendsteveii 2y ago

if you'd researched instead of wondering you'd know that it's effectively zero