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I genuinely feel getting off this planet is also one of the solutions to some problems just like getting away from one's country or kingdom has always been a so

I genuinely feel getting off this planet is also one of the solutions to some problems just like getting away from one's country or kingdom has always been a solution. Why do you feel we can't colonize Mars? Or perhaps any of the asteroids? Perhaps not in this century but do you feel it'll never happen?

palata 2y ago
> Why do you feel we can't colonize Mars? Depends on what you call "colonising". We may be able to send a few humans there, just for the sake of doing something super costly and completely useless. We as a species won't independently survive there. We, as a species, are on the verge of collapsing on Earth, which has all the conditions needed for life. We literally are failing to survive on Earth. Why the hell would we put resources into sending a few people to mars? > Perhaps not in this century but do you feel it'll never happen? The way we are going now, long before next century we will be in a place where a large portion of Earth (around the equator) is unlivable. As in, without life support we won't be able to survive outside. It's cute to think about colonising other planets, but at some point we should have priorities.
- krisoft 2y ago
  > We, as a species, are on the verge of collapsing on Earth, Humanity is not on the verge of collapsing on Earth. Not even close. There is billions of us and our number is going up. Even with the worts climate change predictions the threat is not that we will all die, but that some of the places where we live now becomes uninhabitable and that our descendants will have a worse time living in the future. > We literally are failing to survive on Earth. That's literally not true.
  - t43562 2y ago
    If we cannot achieve Mars colonisation now then in a "worse time" we won't be doing it either.
  - palata 2y ago
    > There is billions of us and our number is going up. You don't understand the meaning of "collapse", do you?
    - krisoft 2y ago
      I believe I do. If you disagree you have to explain your position with more words, because I don’t feel like guessing.
      - palata 2y ago
        For one, the fact that the population is growing is obviously not saying that we are not on the verge of collapsing. If anything, more humans means more emissions, which makes the problem worse. Second, you talk about "the worst climate change predictions". That's completely absurd. Quite obviously "the worst climate change prediction" implies that we all die. Finally, you say "some of the places where we live now becomes uninhabitable and that our descendants will have a worse time living in the future". Not sure if you are aware of that problem or if you are just mentioning it because you quickly read it here. If we reach 4 degrees of warming (and that's a prediction if we don't change anything, knowing that we have already passed 1.5 earlier than expected), a large part of Earth around the equator will become unlivable (not as in "there is no more food, you have to import" but as in "you can't survive outside without life support). We're talking billions of people. What happens when half of the population of the planet has to relocate while the other half has issue growing food (because of course, the rest of the Earth is also impacted), do you think? That's wars, global instability, lots and lots of deaths, and the end of society as we know it. That's collapsing.
        krisoft 2y ago
        > Quite obviously "the worst climate change prediction" implies that we all die. If you understand "prediction" to mean "any bullshit made up by anyone" then yes. But if you mean by "prediction" what we think is likely to happen based on available data and knowledge then not. > Not sure if you are aware of that problem or if you are just mentioning it because you quickly read it here. I'm aware of the problem. That is why I wrote what I wrote. > If we reach 4 degrees of warming (and that's a prediction if we don't change anything, knowing that we have already passed 1.5 earlier than expected), a large part of Earth around the equator will become unlivable Correct. And that is really, really, really bad. So bad that we don't have to overstate how bad it is. > That's wars, global instability, lots and lots of deaths, and the end of society as we know it. That's collapsing. That's societal collapse. That's really really bad. But you were talking about species level collapse. Let me quote you "We literally are failing to survive on Earth." That's not the case. We don't have to overstate our case. Extinction is not the danger we are facing here. It is continued living on the species level in a much more precarious, dangerous, unpleasant way. It's failing to thrive, not failing to survive.
t43562 2y ago
We don't even know if we can live healthily in mars gravity. That's how clueless we are. The main reason, however, is that humans can't co-operate on a scale that would be needed to do it. World events show it clearly right now. This is not the age of colonial exploration where a small band of Europeans use their weapons to overpower the natives and grab their resources and take their fertile land. This is deciding to live in the middle of a frozen desert where there is nothing.

palata 2y ago

> Why do you feel we can't colonize Mars? Depends on what you call "colonising". We may be able to send a few humans there, just for the sake of doing something super costly and completely useless. We as a species won't independently survive there. We, as a species, are on the verge of collapsing on Earth, which has all the conditions needed for life. We literally are failing to survive on Earth. Why the hell would we put resources into sending a few people to mars? > Perhaps not in this century but do you feel it'll never happen? The way we are going now, long before next century we will be in a place where a large portion of Earth (around the equator) is unlivable. As in, without life support we won't be able to survive outside. It's cute to think about colonising other planets, but at some point we should have priorities.

krisoft 2y ago
> We, as a species, are on the verge of collapsing on Earth, Humanity is not on the verge of collapsing on Earth. Not even close. There is billions of us and our number is going up. Even with the worts climate change predictions the threat is not that we will all die, but that some of the places where we live now becomes uninhabitable and that our descendants will have a worse time living in the future. > We literally are failing to survive on Earth. That's literally not true.
- t43562 2y ago
  If we cannot achieve Mars colonisation now then in a "worse time" we won't be doing it either.
- palata 2y ago
  > There is billions of us and our number is going up. You don't understand the meaning of "collapse", do you?
  - krisoft 2y ago
    I believe I do. If you disagree you have to explain your position with more words, because I don’t feel like guessing.
    - palata 2y ago
      For one, the fact that the population is growing is obviously not saying that we are not on the verge of collapsing. If anything, more humans means more emissions, which makes the problem worse. Second, you talk about "the worst climate change predictions". That's completely absurd. Quite obviously "the worst climate change prediction" implies that we all die. Finally, you say "some of the places where we live now becomes uninhabitable and that our descendants will have a worse time living in the future". Not sure if you are aware of that problem or if you are just mentioning it because you quickly read it here. If we reach 4 degrees of warming (and that's a prediction if we don't change anything, knowing that we have already passed 1.5 earlier than expected), a large part of Earth around the equator will become unlivable (not as in "there is no more food, you have to import" but as in "you can't survive outside without life support). We're talking billions of people. What happens when half of the population of the planet has to relocate while the other half has issue growing food (because of course, the rest of the Earth is also impacted), do you think? That's wars, global instability, lots and lots of deaths, and the end of society as we know it. That's collapsing.
      - krisoft 2y ago
        > Quite obviously "the worst climate change prediction" implies that we all die. If you understand "prediction" to mean "any bullshit made up by anyone" then yes. But if you mean by "prediction" what we think is likely to happen based on available data and knowledge then not. > Not sure if you are aware of that problem or if you are just mentioning it because you quickly read it here. I'm aware of the problem. That is why I wrote what I wrote. > If we reach 4 degrees of warming (and that's a prediction if we don't change anything, knowing that we have already passed 1.5 earlier than expected), a large part of Earth around the equator will become unlivable Correct. And that is really, really, really bad. So bad that we don't have to overstate how bad it is. > That's wars, global instability, lots and lots of deaths, and the end of society as we know it. That's collapsing. That's societal collapse. That's really really bad. But you were talking about species level collapse. Let me quote you "We literally are failing to survive on Earth." That's not the case. We don't have to overstate our case. Extinction is not the danger we are facing here. It is continued living on the species level in a much more precarious, dangerous, unpleasant way. It's failing to thrive, not failing to survive.

t43562 2y ago

We don't even know if we can live healthily in mars gravity. That's how clueless we are. The main reason, however, is that humans can't co-operate on a scale that would be needed to do it. World events show it clearly right now. This is not the age of colonial exploration where a small band of Europeans use their weapons to overpower the natives and grab their resources and take their fertile land. This is deciding to live in the middle of a frozen desert where there is nothing.