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I also used to get excited, and this is very cool science. But same here: we have enough problems trying to survive on Earth, we should focus our great talents

by palata 2y ago

I also used to get excited, and this is very cool science. But same here: we have enough problems trying to survive on Earth, we should focus our great talents on that. > as we get closer to colonize other planets We won't colonise mars, and we definitely won't go further than the solar system. Just look at the distances, it's completely absurd.

preciousoo 2y ago
"We" wont, until some generation figures it out
lovelearning 2y ago
I genuinely feel getting off this planet is also one of the solutions to some problems just like getting away from one's country or kingdom has always been a solution. Why do you feel we can't colonize Mars? Or perhaps any of the asteroids? Perhaps not in this century but do you feel it'll never happen?
- palata 2y ago
  > Why do you feel we can't colonize Mars? Depends on what you call "colonising". We may be able to send a few humans there, just for the sake of doing something super costly and completely useless. We as a species won't independently survive there. We, as a species, are on the verge of collapsing on Earth, which has all the conditions needed for life. We literally are failing to survive on Earth. Why the hell would we put resources into sending a few people to mars? > Perhaps not in this century but do you feel it'll never happen? The way we are going now, long before next century we will be in a place where a large portion of Earth (around the equator) is unlivable. As in, without life support we won't be able to survive outside. It's cute to think about colonising other planets, but at some point we should have priorities.
  - krisoft 2y ago
    > We, as a species, are on the verge of collapsing on Earth, Humanity is not on the verge of collapsing on Earth. Not even close. There is billions of us and our number is going up. Even with the worts climate change predictions the threat is not that we will all die, but that some of the places where we live now becomes uninhabitable and that our descendants will have a worse time living in the future. > We literally are failing to survive on Earth. That's literally not true.
    - t43562 2y ago
      If we cannot achieve Mars colonisation now then in a "worse time" we won't be doing it either.
    - palata 2y ago
      > There is billions of us and our number is going up. You don't understand the meaning of "collapse", do you?
      - krisoft 2y ago
        I believe I do. If you disagree you have to explain your position with more words, because I don’t feel like guessing.
        palata 2y ago
        For one, the fact that the population is growing is obviously not saying that we are not on the verge of collapsing. If anything, more humans means more emissions, which makes the problem worse. Second, you talk about "the worst climate change predictions". That's completely absurd. Quite obviously "the worst climate change prediction" implies that we all die. Finally, you say "some of the places where we live now becomes uninhabitable and that our descendants will have a worse time living in the future". Not sure if you are aware of that problem or if you are just mentioning it because you quickly read it here. If we reach 4 degrees of warming (and that's a prediction if we don't change anything, knowing that we have already passed 1.5 earlier than expected), a large part of Earth around the equator will become unlivable (not as in "there is no more food, you have to import" but as in "you can't survive outside without life support). We're talking billions of people. What happens when half of the population of the planet has to relocate while the other half has issue growing food (because of course, the rest of the Earth is also impacted), do you think? That's wars, global instability, lots and lots of deaths, and the end of society as we know it. That's collapsing.
- t43562 2y ago
  We don't even know if we can live healthily in mars gravity. That's how clueless we are. The main reason, however, is that humans can't co-operate on a scale that would be needed to do it. World events show it clearly right now. This is not the age of colonial exploration where a small band of Europeans use their weapons to overpower the natives and grab their resources and take their fertile land. This is deciding to live in the middle of a frozen desert where there is nothing.
jeffhuys 2y ago
We WILL colonise Mars. You might think it's absurd, I don't. As we both have no real arguments besides "just look at it", we're both just as correct.
- palata 2y ago
  Well you're a climate denier (as you showed in another comment), I don't have anything more to tell you. BTW, "because I don't know means that I'm not wrong" is dumb, and dangerous.
  - jeffhuys 2y ago
    Climate denier is a bit harsh - I tend to ask questions people don't want answered, and then get thrown into that camp, true. Let me be clear: the climate IS changing, I just doubt that it's mostly caused, or potentially solved by, human behavior. It's a great way to sell some solar panels, though. EDIT: also, let me be clear (because I know how your brain works): I love that we're getting cleaner air. I love that we find alternative sources of energy. That's all amazing! But I predict there's never a "finish line". We'll never do good enough, and our kids will always die. Or our kids' kids. I'm not affected by that thought anymore.
    - palata 2y ago
      > I just doubt that it's mostly caused [...] by human behavior. Yep, climate denier. You put your belief before the scientific consensus. You may as well believe that the Earth is flat, it would not be less valid than your current position. Except that your kids won't die because of the Flat Earthers, probably. > It's a great way to sell some solar panels, though. Sure, many people try to sell their shit pretending it is "green". Tesla comes to mind (or Tesla before it became the nazi brand, I don't know nowadays). > We'll never do good enough, and our kids will always die. Well your kids will probably live in wars, global instability and die because of the climate change. Sure, they would eventually die anyway. Keep what you are saying now in mind, for when you'll have the discussion with your kids in a couple decades. Remember to tell them "we're living in a shit world, uh? Back in the days, I was one of those people who proudly didn't care. Enjoy now."

by palata 2y ago

preciousoo 2y ago

"We" wont, until some generation figures it out

lovelearning 2y ago

I genuinely feel getting off this planet is also one of the solutions to some problems just like getting away from one's country or kingdom has always been a solution. Why do you feel we can't colonize Mars? Or perhaps any of the asteroids? Perhaps not in this century but do you feel it'll never happen?

palata 2y ago
> Why do you feel we can't colonize Mars? Depends on what you call "colonising". We may be able to send a few humans there, just for the sake of doing something super costly and completely useless. We as a species won't independently survive there. We, as a species, are on the verge of collapsing on Earth, which has all the conditions needed for life. We literally are failing to survive on Earth. Why the hell would we put resources into sending a few people to mars? > Perhaps not in this century but do you feel it'll never happen? The way we are going now, long before next century we will be in a place where a large portion of Earth (around the equator) is unlivable. As in, without life support we won't be able to survive outside. It's cute to think about colonising other planets, but at some point we should have priorities.
- krisoft 2y ago
  > We, as a species, are on the verge of collapsing on Earth, Humanity is not on the verge of collapsing on Earth. Not even close. There is billions of us and our number is going up. Even with the worts climate change predictions the threat is not that we will all die, but that some of the places where we live now becomes uninhabitable and that our descendants will have a worse time living in the future. > We literally are failing to survive on Earth. That's literally not true.
  - t43562 2y ago
    If we cannot achieve Mars colonisation now then in a "worse time" we won't be doing it either.
  - palata 2y ago
    > There is billions of us and our number is going up. You don't understand the meaning of "collapse", do you?
    - krisoft 2y ago
      I believe I do. If you disagree you have to explain your position with more words, because I don’t feel like guessing.
      - palata 2y ago
        For one, the fact that the population is growing is obviously not saying that we are not on the verge of collapsing. If anything, more humans means more emissions, which makes the problem worse. Second, you talk about "the worst climate change predictions". That's completely absurd. Quite obviously "the worst climate change prediction" implies that we all die. Finally, you say "some of the places where we live now becomes uninhabitable and that our descendants will have a worse time living in the future". Not sure if you are aware of that problem or if you are just mentioning it because you quickly read it here. If we reach 4 degrees of warming (and that's a prediction if we don't change anything, knowing that we have already passed 1.5 earlier than expected), a large part of Earth around the equator will become unlivable (not as in "there is no more food, you have to import" but as in "you can't survive outside without life support). We're talking billions of people. What happens when half of the population of the planet has to relocate while the other half has issue growing food (because of course, the rest of the Earth is also impacted), do you think? That's wars, global instability, lots and lots of deaths, and the end of society as we know it. That's collapsing.
t43562 2y ago
We don't even know if we can live healthily in mars gravity. That's how clueless we are. The main reason, however, is that humans can't co-operate on a scale that would be needed to do it. World events show it clearly right now. This is not the age of colonial exploration where a small band of Europeans use their weapons to overpower the natives and grab their resources and take their fertile land. This is deciding to live in the middle of a frozen desert where there is nothing.

jeffhuys 2y ago

We WILL colonise Mars. You might think it's absurd, I don't. As we both have no real arguments besides "just look at it", we're both just as correct.

palata 2y ago
Well you're a climate denier (as you showed in another comment), I don't have anything more to tell you. BTW, "because I don't know means that I'm not wrong" is dumb, and dangerous.
- jeffhuys 2y ago
  Climate denier is a bit harsh - I tend to ask questions people don't want answered, and then get thrown into that camp, true. Let me be clear: the climate IS changing, I just doubt that it's mostly caused, or potentially solved by, human behavior. It's a great way to sell some solar panels, though. EDIT: also, let me be clear (because I know how your brain works): I love that we're getting cleaner air. I love that we find alternative sources of energy. That's all amazing! But I predict there's never a "finish line". We'll never do good enough, and our kids will always die. Or our kids' kids. I'm not affected by that thought anymore.
  - palata 2y ago
    > I just doubt that it's mostly caused [...] by human behavior. Yep, climate denier. You put your belief before the scientific consensus. You may as well believe that the Earth is flat, it would not be less valid than your current position. Except that your kids won't die because of the Flat Earthers, probably. > It's a great way to sell some solar panels, though. Sure, many people try to sell their shit pretending it is "green". Tesla comes to mind (or Tesla before it became the nazi brand, I don't know nowadays). > We'll never do good enough, and our kids will always die. Well your kids will probably live in wars, global instability and die because of the climate change. Sure, they would eventually die anyway. Keep what you are saying now in mind, for when you'll have the discussion with your kids in a couple decades. Remember to tell them "we're living in a shit world, uh? Back in the days, I was one of those people who proudly didn't care. Enjoy now."