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But it's maybe also dumb to alter health articles to DEI when it's about scientific sex and not imaginary genders. In what case does a scientific health article

But it's maybe also dumb to alter health articles to DEI when it's about scientific sex and not imaginary genders. In what case does a scientific health article need to take someone's gender preference into account?

crowselect 2y ago
When trying to communicate information to people, it’s best to meet them where they’re at. If i start calling you she when you would like to be called he or they, will you hear what i am saying or will you get hung up on being misgendered? And btw, all genders are imaginary. Like many things, gender is made up.
- gitaarik 2y ago
  Yeah, well in personal circumstances , and you can take someones preferred pronoun into account. But why would you be offended in general texts where the gender doesn't even matter.
  - crowselect 2y ago
    Can you give an example of gender being put into texts where it doesn’t matter? Or are you just buying the talking points of an administration that has no qualms deleting women’s health data and osha regulations wholesale?
    - gitaarik 2y ago
      Well if you have a vagina, and you have a period every month, and you need to take care of that in a hygenic way, it doesn't matter as what gender you identify, the vagina doesn't care.
      - crowselect 2y ago
        And that’s exactly the kind of gender inclusive language they are purging. Because this executive order attempts to define a person with a vagina as a women and only a women.
        gitaarik 2y ago
        Yes and what does that matter? If you have a vagina and you identity as a whatever, the article is still true for you. The medical advice doesn't matter what you identity yourself as. The information is about the specific organs. It doesn't matter what you identify yourself as. It shouldn't matter. It's weird that people think that these articles need to be adjusted for DEI. They are about the body, not about the mind.
        gitaarik 2y ago
        And in the end, it's correct that this information is meant for the biological woman, and not the biological man. So it would just become confusing if you say it also applies to men. Because biological men don't have a vagina. If you are a woman that identifies as a man, then you will know that you are biologically a woman, and that the medical advice for woman applies to you.
        crowselect 2y ago
        Well. We’ve come full circle. If you want to go back to the comment where i said “When trying to communicate information to people, it’s best to meet them where they’re at.” And then you can have the conversation as many time as you like. Fundamentally, what is happening is not removing inclusive language. It’s removing useful documents because they contain words that are not allowed to be spoken anymore. Setting aside your feelings about binary gender - imagine this was about some cultural group: goths or birders or whatever. Would it not be concerning that the gov was trying to eliminate any acknowledgement that birders exist? A page with advice for lgbtq travelers had “LGBTQ” changed to “LGB”. That’s not removing references to gender that had been forced in to be inclusive. That’s trying to erase actual people from the official record. Not wanting them to exist. If that doesn’t alarm you, idk what would.

crowselect 2y ago

When trying to communicate information to people, it’s best to meet them where they’re at. If i start calling you she when you would like to be called he or they, will you hear what i am saying or will you get hung up on being misgendered? And btw, all genders are imaginary. Like many things, gender is made up.

gitaarik 2y ago
Yeah, well in personal circumstances , and you can take someones preferred pronoun into account. But why would you be offended in general texts where the gender doesn't even matter.
- crowselect 2y ago
  Can you give an example of gender being put into texts where it doesn’t matter? Or are you just buying the talking points of an administration that has no qualms deleting women’s health data and osha regulations wholesale?
  - gitaarik 2y ago
    Well if you have a vagina, and you have a period every month, and you need to take care of that in a hygenic way, it doesn't matter as what gender you identify, the vagina doesn't care.
    - crowselect 2y ago
      And that’s exactly the kind of gender inclusive language they are purging. Because this executive order attempts to define a person with a vagina as a women and only a women.
      - gitaarik 2y ago
        Yes and what does that matter? If you have a vagina and you identity as a whatever, the article is still true for you. The medical advice doesn't matter what you identity yourself as. The information is about the specific organs. It doesn't matter what you identify yourself as. It shouldn't matter. It's weird that people think that these articles need to be adjusted for DEI. They are about the body, not about the mind.
        gitaarik 2y ago
        And in the end, it's correct that this information is meant for the biological woman, and not the biological man. So it would just become confusing if you say it also applies to men. Because biological men don't have a vagina. If you are a woman that identifies as a man, then you will know that you are biologically a woman, and that the medical advice for woman applies to you.
        crowselect 2y ago
        Well. We’ve come full circle. If you want to go back to the comment where i said “When trying to communicate information to people, it’s best to meet them where they’re at.” And then you can have the conversation as many time as you like. Fundamentally, what is happening is not removing inclusive language. It’s removing useful documents because they contain words that are not allowed to be spoken anymore. Setting aside your feelings about binary gender - imagine this was about some cultural group: goths or birders or whatever. Would it not be concerning that the gov was trying to eliminate any acknowledgement that birders exist? A page with advice for lgbtq travelers had “LGBTQ” changed to “LGB”. That’s not removing references to gender that had been forced in to be inclusive. That’s trying to erase actual people from the official record. Not wanting them to exist. If that doesn’t alarm you, idk what would.