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I don't think your argument here is so much logical as it is emotional. I'm not judging or criticizing for that, it's an emotional issue at its core. I think y

I don't think your argument here is so much logical as it is emotional. I'm not judging or criticizing for that, it's an emotional issue at its core. I think you could have a very, very high threshold for administering euthanasia though, which would be a long cry from having public suicide booths ala Futurama.

ninetyninenine 2y ago
It’s logical but the axioms are emotional. They late rationally the same if you have an emotional reaction to one and not the other then your emotions have no basis in logical consistency. The point here is to show that there is no difference but emotions are what create the illusion of a difference.
- kennysoona 2y ago
  There is a huge objective difference that has nothing to do with emotion, and you can only equate them by dismissing those differences.
  - ninetyninenine 2y ago
    Let me get this straight the only difference to you for suicide and euthanasia is the risk of a botched job. So your saying if my 18 year old daughter wants to kill herself because of say borderline personality disorder which is treatable I cannot intervene if she asks a professional to lethally inject her but I can intervene if she wants to hang herself and the reason is only because she might mess up the hanging? It’s like hey you’re killing yourself? Let me save you from doing it improperly here’s the number for a guy that can do it professionally. This is your “logical” argument?
    - kennysoona 2y ago
      > Let me get this straight the only difference to you for suicide and euthanasia is the risk of a botched job. Also method, motivations, acceptance by family members, doctor approval, etc. > So your saying if my 18 year old daughter wants to kill herself because of say borderline personality disorder which is treatable I cannot intervene if she asks a professional to lethally inject her You wouldn't need to as no responsible medical professional would authorize euthanasia in that case. > This is your “logical” argument? No, it's your misrepresentation of my logical argument, which has consistently been more logical than your emotional argument. Question, are you Christian? Is that influencing your complete rejection of suicide at all?
      - ninetyninenine 2y ago
        >Also method, motivations, acceptance by family members, doctor approval, etc. Then tell me your criteria here. Doctors aren't trained specifically in euthanasia as these are arbitrary criteria rather then expert opinions. So the criteria must be established. You can't force doctors to make up an expert opinion when one doesn't exist yet. So because you advocate for this then you must tell me what exactly your criteria is? If you don't have one then you don't really have an argument. >You wouldn't need to as no responsible medical professional would authorize euthanasia in that case. Again what is the criteria that the medical professional authorizes? He doesn't have anything other then his own personal opinion right now. If you want to codify euthanasia into law then you need to have SOMETHING to codify. What is it? What is the criteria? >No, it's your misrepresentation of my logical argument, which has consistently been more logical than your emotional argument. I never misrepresented anything. You never presented an argument. You'll note my responses to you haven't been representing anything. They've been asking questions. Questions you never answered. Now with this post I'm further focusing my questioning to get a detailed answer. >Question, are you Christian? Is that influencing your complete rejection of suicide at all? No I'm rational. Actual Scientific data influences my rejection of suicide. On the other hand I don't think any data is involved with your rejection of it. Which is fine, morals are never rational in the first place.

ninetyninenine 2y ago

It’s logical but the axioms are emotional. They late rationally the same if you have an emotional reaction to one and not the other then your emotions have no basis in logical consistency. The point here is to show that there is no difference but emotions are what create the illusion of a difference.

kennysoona 2y ago
There is a huge objective difference that has nothing to do with emotion, and you can only equate them by dismissing those differences.
- ninetyninenine 2y ago
  Let me get this straight the only difference to you for suicide and euthanasia is the risk of a botched job. So your saying if my 18 year old daughter wants to kill herself because of say borderline personality disorder which is treatable I cannot intervene if she asks a professional to lethally inject her but I can intervene if she wants to hang herself and the reason is only because she might mess up the hanging? It’s like hey you’re killing yourself? Let me save you from doing it improperly here’s the number for a guy that can do it professionally. This is your “logical” argument?
  - kennysoona 2y ago
    > Let me get this straight the only difference to you for suicide and euthanasia is the risk of a botched job. Also method, motivations, acceptance by family members, doctor approval, etc. > So your saying if my 18 year old daughter wants to kill herself because of say borderline personality disorder which is treatable I cannot intervene if she asks a professional to lethally inject her You wouldn't need to as no responsible medical professional would authorize euthanasia in that case. > This is your “logical” argument? No, it's your misrepresentation of my logical argument, which has consistently been more logical than your emotional argument. Question, are you Christian? Is that influencing your complete rejection of suicide at all?
    - ninetyninenine 2y ago
      >Also method, motivations, acceptance by family members, doctor approval, etc. Then tell me your criteria here. Doctors aren't trained specifically in euthanasia as these are arbitrary criteria rather then expert opinions. So the criteria must be established. You can't force doctors to make up an expert opinion when one doesn't exist yet. So because you advocate for this then you must tell me what exactly your criteria is? If you don't have one then you don't really have an argument. >You wouldn't need to as no responsible medical professional would authorize euthanasia in that case. Again what is the criteria that the medical professional authorizes? He doesn't have anything other then his own personal opinion right now. If you want to codify euthanasia into law then you need to have SOMETHING to codify. What is it? What is the criteria? >No, it's your misrepresentation of my logical argument, which has consistently been more logical than your emotional argument. I never misrepresented anything. You never presented an argument. You'll note my responses to you haven't been representing anything. They've been asking questions. Questions you never answered. Now with this post I'm further focusing my questioning to get a detailed answer. >Question, are you Christian? Is that influencing your complete rejection of suicide at all? No I'm rational. Actual Scientific data influences my rejection of suicide. On the other hand I don't think any data is involved with your rejection of it. Which is fine, morals are never rational in the first place.