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This FAQ is in complete disregard of reality. Almost all IP ranges of server providers are blocked. Getting a clean IP is close to impossible. Big providers of

This FAQ is in complete disregard of reality. Almost all IP ranges of server providers are blocked. Getting a clean IP is close to impossible. Big providers often only support their own forms and ignore open sources trust providers. Small providers often do not maintain their email services which will simply auto spam your mail/domain, when it does not come from the big 10 providers.

nh2 2y ago
I did not find this to be the case. I set up a mail server with NixOS 5 times in a row with 5 different Hetzner Cloud IPs and each of them arrived fine at Google.
- razemio 2y ago
  With fine you mean not in the SPAM folder the first time? That would be an improvement. Also works for Microsoft services?
  - nh2 2y ago
    Yes, "fine" means not in Spam. > Also works for Microsoft services? No, Microsoft seems to have an allow-list for servers, and ban everything by default (the laziest of approaches). But that's OK: Because Microsoft does it so poorly, Microsoft email users check their Spam folder all the time anyway.
jnd-cz 2y ago
Source of your claim? I'm monitoring blocklists of about 20 different VPS providers, most of them are completely clean, some are in one policy blocklist because they don't allow outgoing emails and only couple are on 2+ blacklists (of 67 monitored) because there's some noisy neighbor on the /24 subnet.
- razemio 2y ago
  Sadly only my personal experience across multiple years. I think I was selfhosting my mail for about 5 years. Multiple Hetzner root servers using mailinabox and later mailcow. All self checks green.
jwr 2y ago
Bizarre claims. I've been running my own server for the last 25 years or so. Only once when changing server IPs I've encountered an IP that was blacklisted on some lists, and even then it only took a day or two to remove it.
- razemio 2y ago
  Maybe it is (was?) a German problem. Here are some providers I know which Autoblock custom servers: * web.de * gmx.net I also have to say that I always used a hetzner root server. Moved multiple times due to an upgrade. I ALWAYS had to manually apply for removal of my Webserver. It worked for Yahoo. At that time it did not work for Gmail and Microsoft. I no longer was blocked but if I was writing for the first time to a recipient, I landed in the spam folder. The software I used mailinabox and mailcow. Both had self checks. All green. I also used external scanners to check my config, all fine. You can check my GitHub (razemio). I even contributed to some issues for mailinabox. This is not only true for selfhosting but also small providers. As an example: * mailbox.org (auto spam Gmail and microsoft 2018) All of this was a long time ago. Maybe I am just depressed from the bad experience and the FAQs are telling the truth. However it is hard to believe for me. I am selfhosting since 1997 and I am working in programming / DevOps.

nh2 2y ago

I did not find this to be the case. I set up a mail server with NixOS 5 times in a row with 5 different Hetzner Cloud IPs and each of them arrived fine at Google.

razemio 2y ago
With fine you mean not in the SPAM folder the first time? That would be an improvement. Also works for Microsoft services?
- nh2 2y ago
  Yes, "fine" means not in Spam. > Also works for Microsoft services? No, Microsoft seems to have an allow-list for servers, and ban everything by default (the laziest of approaches). But that's OK: Because Microsoft does it so poorly, Microsoft email users check their Spam folder all the time anyway.

jnd-cz 2y ago

Source of your claim? I'm monitoring blocklists of about 20 different VPS providers, most of them are completely clean, some are in one policy blocklist because they don't allow outgoing emails and only couple are on 2+ blacklists (of 67 monitored) because there's some noisy neighbor on the /24 subnet.

razemio 2y ago
Sadly only my personal experience across multiple years. I think I was selfhosting my mail for about 5 years. Multiple Hetzner root servers using mailinabox and later mailcow. All self checks green.

jwr 2y ago

Bizarre claims. I've been running my own server for the last 25 years or so. Only once when changing server IPs I've encountered an IP that was blacklisted on some lists, and even then it only took a day or two to remove it.

razemio 2y ago
Maybe it is (was?) a German problem. Here are some providers I know which Autoblock custom servers: * web.de * gmx.net I also have to say that I always used a hetzner root server. Moved multiple times due to an upgrade. I ALWAYS had to manually apply for removal of my Webserver. It worked for Yahoo. At that time it did not work for Gmail and Microsoft. I no longer was blocked but if I was writing for the first time to a recipient, I landed in the spam folder. The software I used mailinabox and mailcow. Both had self checks. All green. I also used external scanners to check my config, all fine. You can check my GitHub (razemio). I even contributed to some issues for mailinabox. This is not only true for selfhosting but also small providers. As an example: * mailbox.org (auto spam Gmail and microsoft 2018) All of this was a long time ago. Maybe I am just depressed from the bad experience and the FAQs are telling the truth. However it is hard to believe for me. I am selfhosting since 1997 and I am working in programming / DevOps.