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More like we had Galba, this is Otho, now who is next? Will it be Vespasian a little early? Why on earth would Russia reign in China? That’s the stupidest thin

More like we had Galba, this is Otho, now who is next? Will it be Vespasian a little early? Why on earth would Russia reign in China? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve read today. Nuclear holocaust? lol

wakawaka28 2y ago
You may not have realized but China needs more room and resources, and Russia has them. Russia is a natural ally with us against China, if we let them be. >Nuclear holocaust? lol The left used to march to stop nuclear war, now they laugh about it maniacally on the Internet... You are truly unhinged.
- Pigalowda 2y ago
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  - somenameforme 2y ago
    Well first off, I do agree - Russia will never be an ally against China. That's like imagining Russia trying to ally with Canada against the US. But there is no "letting" anybody do anything. We pumped hundreds of billions of dollars of weapons into Ukraine, provided them endless intelligence capabilities, state of the art comms, carried out the equivalent a nuclear strike in sanctions, endlessly escalated in the terms of arms being sent, and more. But it simply didn't work. This was all horrifically miscalculated, very much in the same vein as Afghanistan was, and at this point Ukraine starting to literally run out of people. So there are some extreme options left, but they are basically just more or less declarations of WW3. That rapidly devolving into nuclear annihilation is not a 'threat' - it's simply a reality. We've wargamed such scenarios endlessly and always came to the same conclusion. This [1] is exactly why our relations with the USSR went from escalatory/hostile to de-escalatory. We discovered that we were building up to a war that had no win condition. I see no reason the US, Russia, and China can't trend towards overall positive relations. Things like the Ukraine War are not really an argument, because it probably would never have happened in the first place if there were positive relations between the US and Russia. War is the inevitable outcome of bad relations. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Prophet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Prophet
    - Pigalowda 2y ago
      The US made poor judgement in the invasion of Afghanistan and then leaving. Then with the invasion of Iraq and leaving. Now we make the same mistake with wartime support of Ukraine and abruptly cutting it off. US foreign policy is schizophrenic and we are wholly unreliable. Now we are moving toward a multipolar world where regional powers with nuclear weapons can engage in conventional war. Perhaps moving back in time to great power struggles of the 19th and 20th century. Nuclear non-proliferation is dead. As Pakistan’s leader so pragmatically said decades ago - “we will eat grass but we will have our bomb”. It is insane to not be armed at this point. With Pax Americana now ended a more brutal world is going to emerge. And MAGA supporters aren’t going to be some unshakable disciples. Once the economic reality sets in and there is enough fear, uncertainty, and doubt - they will tear themselves apart. Blame will be thrown and they will deny even knowing their messiah. The only way to stop an absolute electoral obliteration will be to suspend elections or completely suppress them. Putin played his big Diplomacy game very well - but he might think Americans are a bit like Russians. They are not. Greed and prosperity hold this country together, not bonds of shared suffering. MAGA is doomed, the world is a more unsafe place, and we are all poorer for it.
      - somenameforme 2y ago
        The thing is people keep making this assumption that we could just win if we tried harder or stayed longer or whatever else. We occupied Afghanistan for more than two decades. And it's not like we were there just occasionally droning people. We were actively engaging the Taliban with local proxies on a very large scale - total deaths were in the hundreds of thousands. And we spent in excess of $2 trillion on that war! For some scale we spent $4-$5 trillion (inflation adjusted) in WW2. These are absolutely massive efforts. The withdrawal from Afghanistan was bungled, but the problem was being there in the first place. If Bin Laden was ever there, obviously a wide scale occupation is going to cause him to leave. So the entire idea was just nonsensical to begin with. If you're ever going to enjoin a war, you need a realistic plan. For these wars that plan did not exist, and we ended up trapped in inescapable quagmires. Getting out of Ukraine after just a few years is perhaps the smartest military decision we've made in decades. And I disagree with you in regards to overall safety in the coming era, but from an economic point of view. As the world becomes more multipolar, the US's ability to export our inflation will fade, and along with it the endless printing of funny money. War is much more difficult to carry out when you have to really pay for it. Keep in mind that in spite of being on the winning side in WW2, that war practically bankrupted Great Britain and led directly to the end of the British Empire. Money being "real" completely changes the nature of war.
  - wakawaka28 2y ago
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    - Pigalowda 2y ago
      Hey you woke up! I’m actually American, former military, and a physician. As a “middle aged” person myself I can tell you’re not “very highly educated”. You’re an idiot. And you’ll die on idiot hill. Good luck.
- JuanPosadas 2y ago
  > The left used to march to stop nuclear war #NotAllLeftists

wakawaka28 2y ago

You may not have realized but China needs more room and resources, and Russia has them. Russia is a natural ally with us against China, if we let them be. >Nuclear holocaust? lol The left used to march to stop nuclear war, now they laugh about it maniacally on the Internet... You are truly unhinged.

Pigalowda 2y ago
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- somenameforme 2y ago
  Well first off, I do agree - Russia will never be an ally against China. That's like imagining Russia trying to ally with Canada against the US. But there is no "letting" anybody do anything. We pumped hundreds of billions of dollars of weapons into Ukraine, provided them endless intelligence capabilities, state of the art comms, carried out the equivalent a nuclear strike in sanctions, endlessly escalated in the terms of arms being sent, and more. But it simply didn't work. This was all horrifically miscalculated, very much in the same vein as Afghanistan was, and at this point Ukraine starting to literally run out of people. So there are some extreme options left, but they are basically just more or less declarations of WW3. That rapidly devolving into nuclear annihilation is not a 'threat' - it's simply a reality. We've wargamed such scenarios endlessly and always came to the same conclusion. This [1] is exactly why our relations with the USSR went from escalatory/hostile to de-escalatory. We discovered that we were building up to a war that had no win condition. I see no reason the US, Russia, and China can't trend towards overall positive relations. Things like the Ukraine War are not really an argument, because it probably would never have happened in the first place if there were positive relations between the US and Russia. War is the inevitable outcome of bad relations. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Prophet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Prophet
  - Pigalowda 2y ago
    The US made poor judgement in the invasion of Afghanistan and then leaving. Then with the invasion of Iraq and leaving. Now we make the same mistake with wartime support of Ukraine and abruptly cutting it off. US foreign policy is schizophrenic and we are wholly unreliable. Now we are moving toward a multipolar world where regional powers with nuclear weapons can engage in conventional war. Perhaps moving back in time to great power struggles of the 19th and 20th century. Nuclear non-proliferation is dead. As Pakistan’s leader so pragmatically said decades ago - “we will eat grass but we will have our bomb”. It is insane to not be armed at this point. With Pax Americana now ended a more brutal world is going to emerge. And MAGA supporters aren’t going to be some unshakable disciples. Once the economic reality sets in and there is enough fear, uncertainty, and doubt - they will tear themselves apart. Blame will be thrown and they will deny even knowing their messiah. The only way to stop an absolute electoral obliteration will be to suspend elections or completely suppress them. Putin played his big Diplomacy game very well - but he might think Americans are a bit like Russians. They are not. Greed and prosperity hold this country together, not bonds of shared suffering. MAGA is doomed, the world is a more unsafe place, and we are all poorer for it.
    - somenameforme 2y ago
      The thing is people keep making this assumption that we could just win if we tried harder or stayed longer or whatever else. We occupied Afghanistan for more than two decades. And it's not like we were there just occasionally droning people. We were actively engaging the Taliban with local proxies on a very large scale - total deaths were in the hundreds of thousands. And we spent in excess of $2 trillion on that war! For some scale we spent $4-$5 trillion (inflation adjusted) in WW2. These are absolutely massive efforts. The withdrawal from Afghanistan was bungled, but the problem was being there in the first place. If Bin Laden was ever there, obviously a wide scale occupation is going to cause him to leave. So the entire idea was just nonsensical to begin with. If you're ever going to enjoin a war, you need a realistic plan. For these wars that plan did not exist, and we ended up trapped in inescapable quagmires. Getting out of Ukraine after just a few years is perhaps the smartest military decision we've made in decades. And I disagree with you in regards to overall safety in the coming era, but from an economic point of view. As the world becomes more multipolar, the US's ability to export our inflation will fade, and along with it the endless printing of funny money. War is much more difficult to carry out when you have to really pay for it. Keep in mind that in spite of being on the winning side in WW2, that war practically bankrupted Great Britain and led directly to the end of the British Empire. Money being "real" completely changes the nature of war.
- wakawaka28 2y ago
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  - Pigalowda 2y ago
    Hey you woke up! I’m actually American, former military, and a physician. As a “middle aged” person myself I can tell you’re not “very highly educated”. You’re an idiot. And you’ll die on idiot hill. Good luck.
JuanPosadas 2y ago
> The left used to march to stop nuclear war #NotAllLeftists