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Because the paper and ink handling mechanicals are even less common than say PC grade electronics which are largely commoditized for an ecosystem of multiple de

by dv_dt 2y ago

Because the paper and ink handling mechanicals are even less common than say PC grade electronics which are largely commoditized for an ecosystem of multiple designers. Eg Framework or MSI etc can design and build motherboards in the ecosystem. But, print engines afaic aren't design components packaged for multiple design partners.

dmonitor 2y ago
it's crazy that 3d printers are so hackable but 2d printers are malicious spyware machines with no alternatives
- throwaway48476 2y ago
  The government has their tentacles in them to make sure the microdots are printed. They're trying to lock down 3D printers too in NY state.
  - alpaca128 2y ago
    > They're trying to lock down 3D printers too in NY state. Good luck with that. Unkess they inspect every single vehicle and delivery entering the state they could only make it a little less convenient and force a few more people to buy a kit instead.
- p0w3n3d 2y ago
  Solution: put colourful pens into 3d printer "hands"
  - DaSHacka 2y ago
    This unironically may be what needs to be done. A video by Stuff Made Here covered what is essentially one such machine [0]. That specific machine is meant for generating handwritten notes, but I imagine it could likely work for general purpose documents too with some tweaks. [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=cQO2XTP7QDw https://youtube.com/watch?v=cQO2XTP7QDw
wmf 2y ago
It seems weird because back in the 1990s there were a bunch of companies combining e.g. Canon print engines with their own RIP. But now everything has vertically integrated?
- wildzzz 2y ago
  There's near zero money in printer hardware. Ink is what makes money. So few people are printing nowadays that it's effectively a dead-end industry. It's not new, there's very few innovations in printing lately (other than ink tanks but even then, that's not that new). You've been able to print over wifi for a while now and have had access to some sort of cloud printing service for just as long. I could see some hobbyist wanting to develop their own printer but I doubt any manufacturers would sell them a print engine, there's not enough money to even bother replying to an email. Maybe I could see something where you piggyback onto the controller board and run your own software but that's likely such a niche market. Who cares enough to do so? Firewall your printer off and use printers that support generic drivers and can take generic ink (or can be tricked into doing so), you'll save a lot more time than building your own printer that you'll use twice a year.
  - hulitu 2y ago
    > Ink is what makes money. IaaS (Ink as a service). /s
    - ralgozino 2y ago
      I see you have not bought an HP printer lately: https://instantink.hpconnected.com/us/en/l/v2 https://instantink.hpconnected.com/us/en/l/v2
      - infogulch 2y ago
        Since we're beating up on brother in this thread, here's brother doing the same thing: https://www.brother-usa.com/supplies/subscription-info https://www.brother-usa.com/supplies/subscription-info

by dv_dt 2y ago

dmonitor 2y ago

it's crazy that 3d printers are so hackable but 2d printers are malicious spyware machines with no alternatives

throwaway48476 2y ago
The government has their tentacles in them to make sure the microdots are printed. They're trying to lock down 3D printers too in NY state.
- alpaca128 2y ago
  > They're trying to lock down 3D printers too in NY state. Good luck with that. Unkess they inspect every single vehicle and delivery entering the state they could only make it a little less convenient and force a few more people to buy a kit instead.
p0w3n3d 2y ago
Solution: put colourful pens into 3d printer "hands"
- DaSHacka 2y ago
  This unironically may be what needs to be done. A video by Stuff Made Here covered what is essentially one such machine [0]. That specific machine is meant for generating handwritten notes, but I imagine it could likely work for general purpose documents too with some tweaks. [0] https://youtube.com/watch?v=cQO2XTP7QDw https://youtube.com/watch?v=cQO2XTP7QDw

wmf 2y ago

It seems weird because back in the 1990s there were a bunch of companies combining e.g. Canon print engines with their own RIP. But now everything has vertically integrated?

wildzzz 2y ago
There's near zero money in printer hardware. Ink is what makes money. So few people are printing nowadays that it's effectively a dead-end industry. It's not new, there's very few innovations in printing lately (other than ink tanks but even then, that's not that new). You've been able to print over wifi for a while now and have had access to some sort of cloud printing service for just as long. I could see some hobbyist wanting to develop their own printer but I doubt any manufacturers would sell them a print engine, there's not enough money to even bother replying to an email. Maybe I could see something where you piggyback onto the controller board and run your own software but that's likely such a niche market. Who cares enough to do so? Firewall your printer off and use printers that support generic drivers and can take generic ink (or can be tricked into doing so), you'll save a lot more time than building your own printer that you'll use twice a year.
- hulitu 2y ago
  > Ink is what makes money. IaaS (Ink as a service). /s
  - ralgozino 2y ago
    I see you have not bought an HP printer lately: https://instantink.hpconnected.com/us/en/l/v2 https://instantink.hpconnected.com/us/en/l/v2
    - infogulch 2y ago
      Since we're beating up on brother in this thread, here's brother doing the same thing: https://www.brother-usa.com/supplies/subscription-info https://www.brother-usa.com/supplies/subscription-info