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There are many videos on twitter if you'd like to see recorded examples. But basically, TCC is the recruitment office in Ukraine, and they will pull up in unma

There are many videos on twitter if you'd like to see recorded examples. But basically, TCC is the recruitment office in Ukraine, and they will pull up in unmarked vans and grab and force them into a van. Here's an article about it: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/28/ukrainian-mobilisation-officer-explained-kyiv-war-russia/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2024/11/28/ukrainian-... A decent video example (ignore the text): https://x.com/East_Calling/status/1896019613198270859 https://x.com/East_Calling/status/1896019613198270859 - there's many more. It's absolutely terrifying for Ukrainian men.

rightbyte 2y ago
It is quite astonishing there isn't more critique of those methods. That in combination with closing the border for men. It is very authoritarian.
- spaethnl 2y ago
  What you are saying is Russian propaganda. Nearly every country that has been attacked has forced conscription. The US did during WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and we weren't even attacked in 3 of those. Were we authoritarian then?
  - arandomusername 2y ago
    Calling everything that doesn't paint Ukraine in a good light "Russian propaganda" is tiring. Any forced conscription is immoral. Do you think forcing American men to go and die in Vietnam was morally just?
    - mitthrowaway2 2y ago
      Vietnam wasn't a war of defense, so it's not a great comparison. Maybe better to compare UK conscription in WW2. Which I can't really say whether it's immoral or not.
    - motorest 2y ago
      > Calling everything that doesn't paint Ukraine in a good light "Russian propaganda" is tiring. It doesn't make it less Russian propaganda though, and from the same blend of the gay Nazi biolabs nonsense that's constantly spewed around. A telltale sign is the duality of criteria.
      - arandomusername 2y ago
        Just so I'm understanding correctly, being against the forceful sending of men to the frontline is 'Russian propaganda'? What even is the point of having a discussion if anything that isn't pro-Ukraine is dismissed as russian propaganda?
        collingreen 2y ago
        You have a lot of really bad takes such that I think you're intentionally trying to misunderstand or dishonestly represent an unbalanced take. I don't know what your motivation is but I hope you'll stop. It will be more convincing as well if it looks like you're making a fair point in earnest.
        arandomusername 2y ago
        User A: forced conscription of men is authoritarian and should be critiqued. User B: that is russian propaganda!! What am I misunderstanding, or dishonestly representing? If you don't want to have a discussion, you don't have to participate, but those cheap takes contribute nothing to a discussion.
libertine 2y ago
Those videos are amplified greatly by Russian propaganda bots, one thing to put them in check is to ask how many hundreds of thousands of young Russian men fled and climbed through walls once the mobilization was announced by the regime. I think it was 1.000.000+ men lmao Now that's trying to escape war. In every war there's people avoiding conscription, and Russians do it by orders or magnitude we probably haven't seen on record.
- arandomusername 2y ago
  Those videos are amplified by russian bots, but it doesn't make them any less true. A lot of Russian men did flee, but they no longer conscript, while Ukraine still does. And Ukraine forces men into vans to send them to the frontlines. Russia just keeps increasing the pay. Ukraine had to close borders to men because so many were trying to flee. Millions of Ukrainians sought refuge throughout Europe.
  - libertine 2y ago
    > Those videos are amplified by russian bots, but it doesn't make them any less true. I never said they ain't true, as I said - not everyone wants to be in a war, and this happens literally in every war. I just pointed out that in the case of Russia it occurred in an unprecedented manner, while what happens in Ukraine is what's more in line with war. > A lot of Russian men did flee, but they no longer conscript, while Ukraine still does. Conscription would probably lead to the final collapse of the Russian economy, they are resorting to the misery of the population which are joining the war with entrepreneurial ambitions (getting well paid... which is a sad event given the high interest rates and inflation). Russia hasn't declared war, and probably never will as that would be a threat to the regime. > Ukraine had to close borders to men because so many were trying to flee. Millions of Ukrainians sought refuge throughout Europe. Like in any country being invaded with Martial Law in place.
    - arandomusername 2y ago
      Ukrainian bots amplify pro-Ukrainian narratives, NATO bots amplify pro-NATO narratives, Russian bots amplify pro-Russian narratives. Every country participates in propaganda. > I just pointed out that in the case of Russia it occurred in an unprecedented manner, while what happens in Ukraine is what's more in line with war. Russia did not kidnap man from the streets to force to the frontline, at least not that I'm aware of, and certainly not in the numbers that Ukraine does. Conscription happens in wars, but forcing men off the street to go to the frontline? > Conscription would probably lead to the final collapse of the Russian economy I've been hearing that Russian's economy is on the brink of collapse for the last three years. It's awful compared to the West, but they have transitioned into war-fueled economy well, and are still doing well enough despite the war and all the sanctions. > Like in any country being invaded with Martial Law in place. So same like Russia? Men want to flee from getting conscripted.
theshackleford 2y ago
> It's absolutely terrifying for Ukrainian men. I'ts no less terrifying for Russian men when the goons show up to take you away I assure you. Sadly my family in Russia has been impacted by this, not in being conscripted forcefully themselves, but needing to destroy their own livelyhoods so that it is not possible for them to facilitate the the sending of others to the front line.

rightbyte 2y ago

It is quite astonishing there isn't more critique of those methods. That in combination with closing the border for men. It is very authoritarian.

spaethnl 2y ago
What you are saying is Russian propaganda. Nearly every country that has been attacked has forced conscription. The US did during WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, and we weren't even attacked in 3 of those. Were we authoritarian then?
- arandomusername 2y ago
  Calling everything that doesn't paint Ukraine in a good light "Russian propaganda" is tiring. Any forced conscription is immoral. Do you think forcing American men to go and die in Vietnam was morally just?
  - mitthrowaway2 2y ago
    Vietnam wasn't a war of defense, so it's not a great comparison. Maybe better to compare UK conscription in WW2. Which I can't really say whether it's immoral or not.
  - motorest 2y ago
    > Calling everything that doesn't paint Ukraine in a good light "Russian propaganda" is tiring. It doesn't make it less Russian propaganda though, and from the same blend of the gay Nazi biolabs nonsense that's constantly spewed around. A telltale sign is the duality of criteria.
    - arandomusername 2y ago
      Just so I'm understanding correctly, being against the forceful sending of men to the frontline is 'Russian propaganda'? What even is the point of having a discussion if anything that isn't pro-Ukraine is dismissed as russian propaganda?
      - collingreen 2y ago
        You have a lot of really bad takes such that I think you're intentionally trying to misunderstand or dishonestly represent an unbalanced take. I don't know what your motivation is but I hope you'll stop. It will be more convincing as well if it looks like you're making a fair point in earnest.
        arandomusername 2y ago
        User A: forced conscription of men is authoritarian and should be critiqued. User B: that is russian propaganda!! What am I misunderstanding, or dishonestly representing? If you don't want to have a discussion, you don't have to participate, but those cheap takes contribute nothing to a discussion.

libertine 2y ago

Those videos are amplified greatly by Russian propaganda bots, one thing to put them in check is to ask how many hundreds of thousands of young Russian men fled and climbed through walls once the mobilization was announced by the regime. I think it was 1.000.000+ men lmao Now that's trying to escape war. In every war there's people avoiding conscription, and Russians do it by orders or magnitude we probably haven't seen on record.

arandomusername 2y ago
Those videos are amplified by russian bots, but it doesn't make them any less true. A lot of Russian men did flee, but they no longer conscript, while Ukraine still does. And Ukraine forces men into vans to send them to the frontlines. Russia just keeps increasing the pay. Ukraine had to close borders to men because so many were trying to flee. Millions of Ukrainians sought refuge throughout Europe.
- libertine 2y ago
  > Those videos are amplified by russian bots, but it doesn't make them any less true. I never said they ain't true, as I said - not everyone wants to be in a war, and this happens literally in every war. I just pointed out that in the case of Russia it occurred in an unprecedented manner, while what happens in Ukraine is what's more in line with war. > A lot of Russian men did flee, but they no longer conscript, while Ukraine still does. Conscription would probably lead to the final collapse of the Russian economy, they are resorting to the misery of the population which are joining the war with entrepreneurial ambitions (getting well paid... which is a sad event given the high interest rates and inflation). Russia hasn't declared war, and probably never will as that would be a threat to the regime. > Ukraine had to close borders to men because so many were trying to flee. Millions of Ukrainians sought refuge throughout Europe. Like in any country being invaded with Martial Law in place.
  - arandomusername 2y ago
    Ukrainian bots amplify pro-Ukrainian narratives, NATO bots amplify pro-NATO narratives, Russian bots amplify pro-Russian narratives. Every country participates in propaganda. > I just pointed out that in the case of Russia it occurred in an unprecedented manner, while what happens in Ukraine is what's more in line with war. Russia did not kidnap man from the streets to force to the frontline, at least not that I'm aware of, and certainly not in the numbers that Ukraine does. Conscription happens in wars, but forcing men off the street to go to the frontline? > Conscription would probably lead to the final collapse of the Russian economy I've been hearing that Russian's economy is on the brink of collapse for the last three years. It's awful compared to the West, but they have transitioned into war-fueled economy well, and are still doing well enough despite the war and all the sanctions. > Like in any country being invaded with Martial Law in place. So same like Russia? Men want to flee from getting conscripted.

theshackleford 2y ago

> It's absolutely terrifying for Ukrainian men. I'ts no less terrifying for Russian men when the goons show up to take you away I assure you. Sadly my family in Russia has been impacted by this, not in being conscripted forcefully themselves, but needing to destroy their own livelyhoods so that it is not possible for them to facilitate the the sending of others to the front line.