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> killed by the state Really loaded phrasing there especially given she wasn't even living in government housing but in housing provided by Salvation Army of C

by rtkwe 2y ago

> killed by the state Really loaded phrasing there especially given she wasn't even living in government housing but in housing provided by Salvation Army of Canada. Not sure about Canada but in the US most housing assistance is in the form of vouchers so there's not much control the government would have over the exact conditions in any place they might have found for her, she essentially needed a house of her own with no shared public spaces to be able to avoid all smoke or cleaners that might trigger her MCS. That kind of public housing is pretty rare to nonexistant anywhere. The biggest thing is that there's no coercion going on in these cases it's simply an option she chose to take and without MAID there's a high chance she takes on her own.

llm_nerd 2y ago
>Really loaded phrasing The government provided MAiD to this person, facilitating their death, and the phrasing was correct. The circumstances don't rise to the level where the government should be assisting a suicide, at least not in the way that the vast majority of the Canadian public sees it. And per your other comment, there have been a number of extremely dubious cases. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/17/canada-nonterminal-maid-assisted-death https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/17/canada-nonterm... They currently estimate that 2% of cases don't meet the criteria, which is 100s per year. I support MAiD for its original intention (grievous and irremediable medical condition in an advanced state of decline that cannot be reversed), but any discussion about this topic without noting the Overton window is myopic. >there's a high chance she takes on her own While this is speculative[1], let's pretend and say...okay? That is something every person has available to them. Having the state provide the tools, with intention, is not the same. In multiple comments you have talked about force or coercion, yet not only are we often talking about compromised people, when your government and healthcare workers and social workers are saying "You know what...you should kill yourself", if you don't find that unbelievably dangerous grounds that is a form of coercion, I think you really need to rethink things. There is an implication that is there that is just beyond consideration. And yes, if this government was willing to end this woman's life, they should have been willing to find appropriate housing. [1] - It is notable that many people who want MAiD go to long-lived (irony) extraordinary efforts to get MAiD. It would have been so much easier to take many, many other options to end their time among us, but the battle for MAiD basically gave a reason for living.

by rtkwe 2y ago

llm_nerd 2y ago

>Really loaded phrasing The government provided MAiD to this person, facilitating their death, and the phrasing was correct. The circumstances don't rise to the level where the government should be assisting a suicide, at least not in the way that the vast majority of the Canadian public sees it. And per your other comment, there have been a number of extremely dubious cases. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/17/canada-nonterminal-maid-assisted-death https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/17/canada-nonterm... They currently estimate that 2% of cases don't meet the criteria, which is 100s per year. I support MAiD for its original intention (grievous and irremediable medical condition in an advanced state of decline that cannot be reversed), but any discussion about this topic without noting the Overton window is myopic. >there's a high chance she takes on her own While this is speculative[1], let's pretend and say...okay? That is something every person has available to them. Having the state provide the tools, with intention, is not the same. In multiple comments you have talked about force or coercion, yet not only are we often talking about compromised people, when your government and healthcare workers and social workers are saying "You know what...you should kill yourself", if you don't find that unbelievably dangerous grounds that is a form of coercion, I think you really need to rethink things. There is an implication that is there that is just beyond consideration. And yes, if this government was willing to end this woman's life, they should have been willing to find appropriate housing. [1] - It is notable that many people who want MAiD go to long-lived (irony) extraordinary efforts to get MAiD. It would have been so much easier to take many, many other options to end their time among us, but the battle for MAiD basically gave a reason for living.