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Are you implying Brexit and Trumps second term is due to propaganda?

by dikaio 2y ago

ta1243 2y ago
Certainly these were due to social media manipulation
- peterbecich 2y ago
  In my opinion it is a populist movement, and we should accept this hard truth. Trump is in office due to "manipulation" to the same extent that any speech is manipulation. He is a salesman and has sold his vision for the country successfully.
  - delecti 2y ago
    Is that not definitionally propaganda?
  - PathOfEclipse 2y ago
    The downvotes for your comment are quite telling of the demographic of Hacker News. But even leftwing media are admitting the Democrat party has a problem: https://newrepublic.com/article/192078/democrats-become-workers-party-sherrod-brown https://newrepublic.com/article/192078/democrats-become-work... "We cannot solve this problem without an honest assessment of who we are. How we see ourselves as the Democratic Party—the party of the people, the party of the working class and the middle class—no longer matches up with what most voters think." https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/01/21/eric_adams_i_didnt_leave_the_democratic_party_the_party_left_me_and_working_class_people.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/01/21/eric_adam... The Democratic Party "Left Me And It Left Working Class People" https://www.thirdway.org/report/renewing-the-democratic-party https://www.thirdway.org/report/renewing-the-democratic-part... "For the first time since the mid-20th century, the central fault line of American politics is neither race and ethnicity nor gender but rather class, determined by educational attainment. But in the intervening half century, the parties have switched places. Republicans once commanded a majority among college-educated voters while Democrats were the party of the working class. Now the majority of college educated voters support Democrats" But I suppose there's too many well-off, well-educated, white collar elites on this site who aren't willing to face the reality that their politics have been ruining blue collar lives for decades, and the political backlash has finally hit a crescendo powerful enough to wash over Washington. So I guess we blame it all on disinformation campaigns?
  - heylook 2y ago
    https://www.aaiusa.org/library/disinformation-campaigns-aimed-at-arab-americans-and-american-jews-in-battleground-states https://www.aaiusa.org/library/disinformation-campaigns-aime...: Almost daily, Michigan’s Arab Americans voters in precincts of heavy concentration are receiving glossy mailings with messages like: “Kamala Harris and Doug Emhoff: Unwavering Support for Israel” or “Kamala Harris and Doug Emhoff, the ultimate pro-Israel power couple” or “Kamala Harris and Elissa Slotkin [the Democratic candidate for Senate in Michigan]: The proven team we can trust to stand up for the Jewish community.” And targeted video messaging on social media sites saying things like “Kamala Harris stands with Israel.” Meanwhile, in areas of Pennsylvania where there are heavy concentrations of Jewish voters, homes are receiving messages like: “Kamala Harris will embolden anti-Semites” or “Donald Trump always stands up for the Jewish people.” And targeted video messaging on social media platforms saying “Kamala Harris will not be silent about human suffering in Gaza” or “Two-faced Kamala Harris: Standing with Palestine and not our ally, Israel.” These mailings and social media posts are paid for by a dark money group, Future Coalition PAC. Researchers have identified that one of the major donors to this group is Elon Musk, the principal owner of X and a strong supporter of Donald Trump’s presidential bid.
  - ta1243 2y ago
    UK Parliament has found substantial interference from Russia UK politics - including interfering in the 2014 Scottish independence referendum https://www.dw.com/en/russia-report-damning-of-uk-governments-lack-of-curiosity/a-54252429 https://www.dw.com/en/russia-report-damning-of-uk-government...

Are you implying Brexit and Trumps second term is due to propaganda?

by dikaio 2y ago

Are you implying Brexit and Trumps second term is due to propaganda?

ta1243 2y ago

Certainly these were due to social media manipulation

peterbecich 2y ago
In my opinion it is a populist movement, and we should accept this hard truth. Trump is in office due to "manipulation" to the same extent that any speech is manipulation. He is a salesman and has sold his vision for the country successfully.
- delecti 2y ago
  Is that not definitionally propaganda?
- PathOfEclipse 2y ago
  The downvotes for your comment are quite telling of the demographic of Hacker News. But even leftwing media are admitting the Democrat party has a problem: https://newrepublic.com/article/192078/democrats-become-workers-party-sherrod-brown https://newrepublic.com/article/192078/democrats-become-work... "We cannot solve this problem without an honest assessment of who we are. How we see ourselves as the Democratic Party—the party of the people, the party of the working class and the middle class—no longer matches up with what most voters think." https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/01/21/eric_adams_i_didnt_leave_the_democratic_party_the_party_left_me_and_working_class_people.html https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/01/21/eric_adam... The Democratic Party "Left Me And It Left Working Class People" https://www.thirdway.org/report/renewing-the-democratic-party https://www.thirdway.org/report/renewing-the-democratic-part... "For the first time since the mid-20th century, the central fault line of American politics is neither race and ethnicity nor gender but rather class, determined by educational attainment. But in the intervening half century, the parties have switched places. Republicans once commanded a majority among college-educated voters while Democrats were the party of the working class. Now the majority of college educated voters support Democrats" But I suppose there's too many well-off, well-educated, white collar elites on this site who aren't willing to face the reality that their politics have been ruining blue collar lives for decades, and the political backlash has finally hit a crescendo powerful enough to wash over Washington. So I guess we blame it all on disinformation campaigns?
- heylook 2y ago
  https://www.aaiusa.org/library/disinformation-campaigns-aimed-at-arab-americans-and-american-jews-in-battleground-states https://www.aaiusa.org/library/disinformation-campaigns-aime...: Almost daily, Michigan’s Arab Americans voters in precincts of heavy concentration are receiving glossy mailings with messages like: “Kamala Harris and Doug Emhoff: Unwavering Support for Israel” or “Kamala Harris and Doug Emhoff, the ultimate pro-Israel power couple” or “Kamala Harris and Elissa Slotkin [the Democratic candidate for Senate in Michigan]: The proven team we can trust to stand up for the Jewish community.” And targeted video messaging on social media sites saying things like “Kamala Harris stands with Israel.” Meanwhile, in areas of Pennsylvania where there are heavy concentrations of Jewish voters, homes are receiving messages like: “Kamala Harris will embolden anti-Semites” or “Donald Trump always stands up for the Jewish people.” And targeted video messaging on social media platforms saying “Kamala Harris will not be silent about human suffering in Gaza” or “Two-faced Kamala Harris: Standing with Palestine and not our ally, Israel.” These mailings and social media posts are paid for by a dark money group, Future Coalition PAC. Researchers have identified that one of the major donors to this group is Elon Musk, the principal owner of X and a strong supporter of Donald Trump’s presidential bid.
- ta1243 2y ago
  UK Parliament has found substantial interference from Russia UK politics - including interfering in the 2014 Scottish independence referendum https://www.dw.com/en/russia-report-damning-of-uk-governments-lack-of-curiosity/a-54252429 https://www.dw.com/en/russia-report-damning-of-uk-government...