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Were you on Planet Earth between 2020 and 2022? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic

mariusor 2y ago
I'm not sure I'm ready to accept the fact that having rights restricted is a body autonomy issue outside of being in solitary confinement. I commented in a different thread about "exigent conditions" which sometimes can trump personal liberties or even body autonomy when the "greater good" is concerned. If I'd entertain your statement as being on topic, I'd say that national measures in a global pandemic fit that.
- aipatselarom 2y ago
  Good. Then you don't have "autonomy over your own body". The other commenter on this sub-thread just gave you another example of that.
  - mariusor 2y ago
    Exceptions don't invalidate rules. Jesus, it's like I'm debating with preschoolers.
    - aipatselarom 2y ago
      >Exceptions don't invalidate rules. Source, you? I could argue the opposite. If your purported "exception" applies to 80%+ of the global population, a minimal dash of common sense would make me think that's the rule, not the other way around. Your "exception"s are quite loose, pal!
      - mariusor 2y ago
        What do you mean 80% of the global population? OK, don't answer that, I did my own research[1] and from the Western democracies that have mandatory military service there are: Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Austria, Greece and Estonia. They're more than I expected, and overall, including less democratic nations, there's a total of 66 (out of 194). By population it's even less, as none of the top countries except Brazil and Russia have mandatory service. So overall that's very much less than 80%, but definitely more than I was expecting. [1] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-mandatory-military-service https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries...
        aipatselarom 2y ago
        You're not following through. I was talking about the COVID vaccine mandates. But what you found further reinforces my point. Thanks.
        mariusor 2y ago
        Just so there isn't any doubt: I dismiss your initial theory that somehow the response to the Corona virus is a violation of anyone's bodily autonomy. My whole thread here was about trying to understand your reasoning, and perhaps make you understand mine, but instead of helping me you refuse to engage in good faith so I'll stop here.

mariusor 2y ago

I'm not sure I'm ready to accept the fact that having rights restricted is a body autonomy issue outside of being in solitary confinement. I commented in a different thread about "exigent conditions" which sometimes can trump personal liberties or even body autonomy when the "greater good" is concerned. If I'd entertain your statement as being on topic, I'd say that national measures in a global pandemic fit that.

aipatselarom 2y ago
Good. Then you don't have "autonomy over your own body". The other commenter on this sub-thread just gave you another example of that.
- mariusor 2y ago
  Exceptions don't invalidate rules. Jesus, it's like I'm debating with preschoolers.
  - aipatselarom 2y ago
    >Exceptions don't invalidate rules. Source, you? I could argue the opposite. If your purported "exception" applies to 80%+ of the global population, a minimal dash of common sense would make me think that's the rule, not the other way around. Your "exception"s are quite loose, pal!
    - mariusor 2y ago
      What do you mean 80% of the global population? OK, don't answer that, I did my own research[1] and from the Western democracies that have mandatory military service there are: Finland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Austria, Greece and Estonia. They're more than I expected, and overall, including less democratic nations, there's a total of 66 (out of 194). By population it's even less, as none of the top countries except Brazil and Russia have mandatory service. So overall that's very much less than 80%, but definitely more than I was expecting. [1] https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-with-mandatory-military-service https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries...
      - aipatselarom 2y ago
        You're not following through. I was talking about the COVID vaccine mandates. But what you found further reinforces my point. Thanks.
        mariusor 2y ago
        Just so there isn't any doubt: I dismiss your initial theory that somehow the response to the Corona virus is a violation of anyone's bodily autonomy. My whole thread here was about trying to understand your reasoning, and perhaps make you understand mine, but instead of helping me you refuse to engage in good faith so I'll stop here.