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Criticism: - Non-standard layout - Where's the arrow keys block? Insert/delete/home/end/pgup/pgdown block? - Non-staggered keys makes it hard to type due to

Criticism: - Non-standard layout - Where's the arrow keys block? Insert/delete/home/end/pgup/pgdown block? - Non-staggered keys makes it hard to type due to mistyping on the wrong row Questions: - Do you have nkey rollover? - Would you accept "optional" wires? Note: gaming requires fast response times. Hell even programming/writing sucks when there's key lag.

striking 2y ago
I actually don't think I'll be going back to a staggered keyboard. Ortholinear layouts make setting up layers a lot easier, which gives you the ability to set up momentary arrow key or cursor movement blocks. ZMK supports N-key rollover and layers.
Etheryte 2y ago
I mean, if you're going to design and build a keyboard only for yourself all from scratch, why would you expect a standard layout? The whole thing is bespoke to you.
6SixTy 2y ago
Ortholinear is a standard but non-orthodox layout for keyboards. And when you see 60%, it means you are getting only the main alphanumeric section with esc often smushed into what would otherwise be the ~/` key. With 60% keyboards, you are often using modifier layers baked into the keyboards' firmware to get back your function keys and your control block like page up
cbm-vic-20 2y ago
> Where's the arrow keys block? Insert/delete/home/end/pgup/pgdown block? In the nav layer. One popular layout of split keyboards is two 3x5 grids of keys with 3 thumb buttons. With this configuration, it is common to map modifier keys to the home row keys, activated when they are held down. Likewise, for numbers, symbols, navigation, a thumb key is held down to activate that layer. Your fingers never have to stretch more than one key-length away. Miryoku is a popular implmentation of this. It looks crazy, but you can get used to it really quickly, or alter it to your own taste. https://github.com/manna-harbour/miryoku https://github.com/manna-harbour/miryoku
- vladvasiliu 2y ago
  I get the idea, but how comfortable is it for shortcuts requiring multiple modifiers?
  - ValentinPearce 2y ago
    I have a 34 key split and it's decently comfortable. I have my mods mirrored on both halves so depending on the non-mod key of the shortcut I use the opposing hand for mods.
LAC-Tech 2y ago
The trade off you make with these keyboards is that you have to learn a different muscle memory, in return for less finger contortions, more comfort, and less hand waving around the keyboard. If that's not appealing to you, there's probably no reason to get into it. If it is appealing to you to live mostly on your homerow, then the learning curve is not all that great, maybe a couple of months.

striking 2y ago

I actually don't think I'll be going back to a staggered keyboard. Ortholinear layouts make setting up layers a lot easier, which gives you the ability to set up momentary arrow key or cursor movement blocks. ZMK supports N-key rollover and layers.

Etheryte 2y ago

I mean, if you're going to design and build a keyboard only for yourself all from scratch, why would you expect a standard layout? The whole thing is bespoke to you.

6SixTy 2y ago

Ortholinear is a standard but non-orthodox layout for keyboards. And when you see 60%, it means you are getting only the main alphanumeric section with esc often smushed into what would otherwise be the ~/` key. With 60% keyboards, you are often using modifier layers baked into the keyboards' firmware to get back your function keys and your control block like page up

cbm-vic-20 2y ago

> Where's the arrow keys block? Insert/delete/home/end/pgup/pgdown block? In the nav layer. One popular layout of split keyboards is two 3x5 grids of keys with 3 thumb buttons. With this configuration, it is common to map modifier keys to the home row keys, activated when they are held down. Likewise, for numbers, symbols, navigation, a thumb key is held down to activate that layer. Your fingers never have to stretch more than one key-length away. Miryoku is a popular implmentation of this. It looks crazy, but you can get used to it really quickly, or alter it to your own taste. https://github.com/manna-harbour/miryoku https://github.com/manna-harbour/miryoku

vladvasiliu 2y ago
I get the idea, but how comfortable is it for shortcuts requiring multiple modifiers?
- ValentinPearce 2y ago
  I have a 34 key split and it's decently comfortable. I have my mods mirrored on both halves so depending on the non-mod key of the shortcut I use the opposing hand for mods.

LAC-Tech 2y ago

The trade off you make with these keyboards is that you have to learn a different muscle memory, in return for less finger contortions, more comfort, and less hand waving around the keyboard. If that's not appealing to you, there's probably no reason to get into it. If it is appealing to you to live mostly on your homerow, then the learning curve is not all that great, maybe a couple of months.